The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes and those lazy nurses should be doing even more of their share of the paperwork.

And where has all this paperwork come from?

Either the paperwork fairies have been at work or the government of the last 13 years have an absolute obsession with figures which they use to spin, manipulate and outright lie to cover up just how completely useless they are.

If you fancy seeing how our opinion poll would translate into an actual general election result, have a play with this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8609989.stm

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

If you fancy seeing how our opinion poll would translate into an actual general election result, have a play with this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8609989.stm

If that shows anything, it's how wrong the system is.

Con 33.7% 362 seats.
Lab 16.3% 178 seats.
Lib 20% 75 seats
Other 30% 35 seats.

Conservatives have 3 percentage points more of the popular vote than Other, and get 10 times the seats. Labour have 4 percentage points less than Lib Dem and over twice the number of seats. Smashing thing, Democracy...

Originally Posted by Flyboy

And instead of attacking and insulting me, why don't you tell us all where these savings will come from?

BBC

Sir Peter Gershon, who used to be the government's efficiency adviser, told the Financial Times that £9.5bn could be saved by cutting IT costs, renegotiating contracts, curbing consultants.

He said "perhaps £1bn to £2bn" could be saved by curbing recruitment - prompting estimates that 20,000 - 40,000 public sector jobs could go.
Conservative leader Mr Cameron told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It is do-able, it is deliverable, I don't think it's particularly challenging to ask government to save £1 out of every £100 it spends

This is exactly what I have had to do in my department - I have had my budgets frozen for three years, but still have to plan for 3% Pay OpEx increases year on year (as the government is not giving me an extra 1% to cover the NI increase, and the unions will surely strike if they don't get the inflation increase); so I won't be filling vacancies, and I will be asking people to take time of in lieu instead of overtime, and stuff like that.

But I do not know why you ask the question about the savings, because I am sure you will follow the party rebuttal line of "myth" and "fantasy" as soon as any answer appears - it would appear you don't want an answer, you just want to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (are you sure you never used to work in sales for IBM? ).

[Angua]

Originally Posted by danielf

If that shows anything, it's how wrong the system is.

Con 33.7% 362 seats.
Lab 16.3% 178 seats.
Lib 20% 75 seats
Other 30% 35 seats.

Conservatives have 3 percentage points more of the popular vote than Other, and get 10 times the seats. Labour have 4 percentage points less than Lib Dem and over twice the number of seats. Smashing thing, Democracy...

Exactly why the FPTP is so out of date. Worked well when there were just Whigs & Tories but has failed abysmally ever since.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes and those lazy nurses should be doing even more of their share of the paperwork.

Oh look another - stupid comment from you. You shouldn't make such stupid half-assed comments that really make no sense at all.

I am also still waiting for you to justify that lame opinion of yours that some how the Tories can be blamed for the complete and utter failings of the Labour Government over the last 13 years?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes and those lazy nurses should be doing even more of their share of the paperwork.

unwaranted below the belt attack

Originally Posted by Flyboy

And instead of attacking and insulting me, why don't you tell us all where these savings will come from?

Having attacked the Nurses you then complain when someone does it to you.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The Tories are coming out with hype again,

Arthur - you are another one who really need to consider what you are posting.

For instance - Labour's motto on Crime was:

"Tough on crime - tough on the causes of crime" That is a Labour Hype pure and simple.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

BBC

This is exactly what I have had to do in my department - I have had my budgets frozen for three years, but still have to plan for 3% Pay OpEx increases year on year (as the government is not giving me an extra 1% to cover the NI increase, and the unions will surely strike if they don't get the inflation increase); so I won't be filling vacancies, and I will be asking people to take time of in lieu instead of overtime, and stuff like that.

But I do not know why you ask the question about the savings, because I am sure you will follow the party rebuttal line of "myth" and "fantasy" as soon as any answer appears - it would appear you don't want an answer, you just want to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (are you sure you never used to work in sales for IBM? ).

Thank you!!

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Originally Posted by Sirius

unwaranted below the belt attack



Having attacked the Nurses you then complain when someone does it to you.

Yeah,the difference being attacks on nurses are unfair.

To be fair, I think Flyboy was being ironic about the "lazy nurses"...

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Sirius

unwaranted below the belt attack



Having attacked the Nurses you then complain when someone does it to you.

Yeah,the difference being attacks on nurses are unfair.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

In other news what a complete and utter twunt Gordon Brown is. This story is astounding. Has it come to things like that to justify his authoritarianism? He is attacking the Tories for wanting to put a halt to the Government's illegal retention of DNA of those cleared of crimes.

I think that the "Right Honourable" Mr Brown should have a read of this

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org....illusion.shtml

Originally Posted by Liberty

#
Today Liberty’s director responded to suggestions that the case of Sally Anne Bowman was only solved by holding the DNA of unconvicted individuals on the database. This could not be further from the truth
#
Mark Dixie, convicted in 2008 for the murder of Sally Anne Bowman, was arrested nine months after the crime for his role in a pub brawl. It was this DNA swab that revealed his link to Sally Anne’s murder after it was uploaded to the national DNA database and matched with the unidentified crime scene DNA. Mark Dixie was then arrested, charged and prosecuted for Sally Anne’s rape and murder.
Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty, said:

“Election fever seems to be confusing the debate about DNA retention. It has been suggested that the tragic case of Sally Anne Bowman was only solved because her murderer was “an innocent� on the database. In fact, he was arrested for a separate violent offence and it was then that his DNA was matched to the crime scene.

We all agree that DNA taken on arrest should be checked against unsolved crimes - this is entirely different from stockpiling the DNA of innocent men, women and children for years on end.�

(snip)

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Flyboy ... Fanboy, more like. Is there any danger of intelligent debate breaking out around here? Such as acknowledging another point made during the same programme, that nobody sitting in opposition can ever make guarantees about anything? Or are you determined to simply parrot whatever the Labour press office tells you to?

In answer to your questions: No and Yes.....

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Or we get rid of the unnecessary paperwork.

That you have nothing better to say to this than a glib comment speaks volumes.

Too true!

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Originally Posted by Derek S

And where has all this paperwork come from?

Either the paperwork fairies have been at work or the government of the last 13 years have an absolute obsession with figures which they use to spin, manipulate and outright lie to cover up just how completely useless they are.

Yes, according to how some people post around here anyone would think Thatcher had been in power for the last 13 years.....

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Originally Posted by Mick

Arthur - you are another one who really need to consider what you are posting.

For instance - Labour's motto on Crime was:

"Tough on crime - tough on the causes of crime" That is a Labour Hype pure and simple.

It's that selective amnesia again you know....

Arthur - how does "A future fair for all" rank in your list of populist, political hype?

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Originally Posted by Matt D

I think that the "Right Honourable" Mr Brown should have a read of this

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org....illusion.shtml

Well Brown has previous when it comes to being economical with the facts.....

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Opposition parties getting flak from Brown and his cronies for not being explicit about where the cuts will come from is a bit rich coming from people with full access to the accounts of UK PLC, who not that long ago, were refusing to admit cuts would be necessary at all. Now of course they're trying to claim that somehow there's all this waste in the system that can be cut without pain but it can't be done now because it'll harm the 'recovery'.... Utter tosh!

[nomadking]

People should be thinking about more than just the economy when deciding who to vote for. Just think about the further damage to the country that has been planned.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People should be thinking about more than just the economy when deciding who to vote for. Just think about the further damage to the country that has been planned.

Erm, I thought about it, and (as usual) your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Who's planning to damage the country, and what are the ways they/who/she/whatever are planning to 'damage' the country? Oh, and why are 'they' planning to 'damage' the country?