The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm curious to hear, from the 11 people who so far have voted Labour in our poll, just exactly how much worse things would have to get before they would consider withdrawing their support from that party ...

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm curious to hear, from the 11 people who so far have voted Labour in our poll, just exactly how much worse things would have to get before they would consider withdrawing their support from that party ...

I am speculating, given the above, that at least one of those people thinks that things have dramatically improved and is looking forward to further improvement so your question is moot to at least one of them.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I am speculating, given the above, that at least one of those people thinks that things have dramatically improved and is looking forward to further improvement so your question is moot to at least one of them.

Really??? Who could that be????? Don't be daft mate...

[Osem]

When it comes to Brown's record and judgement I reckon there are some very short memories around here:

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/press_68_07.htm

...So I congratulate you Lord Mayor and the City of London on these remarkable achievements, an era that history will record as the beginning of a new golden age for the City of London....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Yes - "the military have been given the equipment it needs"; depends on who is defining the need, doesn't it?

Brown see's the army as a easy target, Well hang on so do the enemy because of the lack of kit thanks to his mismanagement

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I look at it this way, Liberal Dems, are not worth wondering about, so that rules them out, so it is between T and L,.

Do you want a party, that will almost certainly ruin the health service, like under Thatcher,

Because of course, that fine idea PFI (bought in by Labour, and essentially the Conservative Privatisation plans given a new and funky acronym) works soo well.

and the Tories will want to save money,

A good thing, surely, for the long term. Bearing in mind the country is in debt to the tune of billions, thanks to Labour.

they put will more pen pushers into certain areas to streamline things, to save money, they put will taxes up to help themselfs,

As opposed to outsourcing whole departments. An idea wholeheartedly endorsed by the current mob, which has directly lead to a lot of the recent security breaches.

they will cut services,

And labour haven't?

they will bring in another local council tax, like the poll tax

As opposed to what? Keeping them (which is all that Labour have achieved).

l would not trust the tories as far as l could spit, and Cameron doesn't have the experience to run the country.

Neither did Brown. OK, he was chancellor, but he actually wasn't any good at that either.

Labour, has been running the country, they have cut the recession,

That they (indirectly) caused. Look it up. The banking regulations that were in use and largely to blame for the credit crunch, were bought in by a group of men, including our very own Gordon Brown.

to they have brought down the unemployment

After causing it.

, they have defended the rights of people,

And removed quite a few. Including (under certain circumstances) the right to trial, and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Otherwise If Cameron gets in, this country will be ruined within 12 months, remember Thatcher gave us promises, before look what happened after she won.

As did Labour, or did you miss the vague promises of lower taxes, full employement and a fully integrated public transport system? None of which have yet to appear, even after 12 years.

Make no mistake. This country is in a state, and the current government has lost the right to complain about the mess the previous goverment left the country in, because labour *formed* the previous government. They've had 12 years to get things right. They have failed.

I am still waiting for Flyboy to bring his reasoning to the debate by suggesting most of the issues, 'Under a Labour Government' could possibly be the fault of the Conservatives. Come on now, stop hiding Flyboy - or have you actually realised you are flogging a dead horse, with that incredibly inaccurate forensic analysis skill you got there?

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm curious to hear, from the 11 people who so far have voted Labour in our poll, just exactly how much worse things would have to get before they would consider withdrawing their support from that party ...

I am one of those people! i have my own reasons for voting labour sure brown has made mistakes but cameron just looks like a snake oil salesman,i work within the NHS and have seen massive investment in new hospitals and treatments it could be argued some of the money has been wasted which i am sure it has any organisation employing around 1 million people is bound to have some waste ,but even allowing for that people ought to see some of the state of the art facilities in NHS hospitals certainly my expierience of NHS investment under the last tory administration was not great.

Also a lot of the problems brown has had to deal with are worldwide america had a republican administration (american tories) before the democrats were elected,and their banking system went to pot the same as ours did. In short the financial banking services disaster was pretty much western world wide,it was no respector of political parties.

This election is wide open however but to be fair if cameron pulls it off good luck to him,but i shall not be voting tory.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by danielf

That doesn't make it right. Most people want to vote for which party has power, not some antiquated (imo) concept of local representation.

that's the fault of the electorate, not the elected

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

that's the fault of the electorate, not the elected

That's a bit of a chicken and egg problem, as the ones that would reform it haven't got a hope in hell of getting in under the present system. Here's hoping for a hung parliament though

Originally Posted by danielf

That's a bit of a chicken and egg problem, as the ones that would reform it haven't got a hope in hell of getting in under the present system. Here's hoping for a hung parliament though

Oh I hope not..that's the really frightening prospect of 4-5 years of nothing being done...

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by richard1960

I am one of those people! i have my own reasons for voting labour sure brown has made mistakes but cameron just looks like a snake oil salesman,i work within the NHS and have seen massive investment in new hospitals and treatments it could be argued some of the money has been wasted which i am sure it has any organisation employing around 1 million people is bound to have some waste ,but even allowing for that people ought to see some of the state of the art facilities in NHS hospitals certainly my expierience of NHS investment under the last tory administration was not great.

I second that for exactly the same reasons. NHS spend looks likely to be cut massively under either of the other two.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Oh I hope not..that's the really frightening prospect of 4-5 years of nothing being done...

I think of it differently. It will prevent a government from passing through all sorts of legislation that no-one voted for. I don't think the erosion of civil liberties would have occurred quite as easily if it had required negotiations between two parties. Frankly, I find the prospect of a one party majority scarier.

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am still waiting for Flyboy to bring his reasoning to the debate by suggesting most of the issues, 'Under a Labour Government' could possibly be the fault of the Conservatives. Come on now, stop hiding Flyboy - or have you actually realised you are flogging a dead horse, with that incredibly inaccurate forensic analysis skill you got there?

He may come back at you with a question


I dont normally bother with politics, it would have been labour before but Im that fed up of the way things are now that Im torn between lib dem and conservative. Im not sure I can bring myself to vote conservative and I was impressed by Vince Cable on TV last week, not very good grounds for a vote but I haven't looked at any of the policies and dont see the point, they end up as false promises IMO. For me its picking the best of a bad bunch

Originally Posted by superbiatch

I second that for exactly the same reasons. NHS spend looks likely to be cut massively under either of the other two.

Yeah but why vote back in a Government met with such serious failings? Don't get me wrong - You vote for who you like - but I don't get how people can vote for these same muppets - They are a complete and utter failure for the people of Britain.

Just getting back to your point though - I would presume such cuts would be aimed at the Pen pushers and the people in the back offices making up these bizarre and unachievable targets - The Target system launched under a Labour Government. Basically cuts in the Bureaucracy, those cuts are needed.