Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[marky]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You got a link for that, marky? - nothing in the local news about it (there is one being built in Accrington, but that's quite a distance away).

Nope, it was in the paper but nothing online, same as I cant find how high the clock tower is

Not likely to get one here unless we get rather more Muslims in the area.

However I'd rather that than they fill up the land area that was HMS Deadelus air field with thousands of new housing that will turn us into even more of a dormitory town WITHOUT any new road infrastructure or health care facilities or new secondary school places etc,etc.

There are worse things to fear IMHO.

Originally Posted by marky

Nope, it was in the paper but nothing online, same as I cant find how high the clock tower is

It's at least 240 feet high - well, it was when Fred Dibnah climbed it...

btw, the Accrington mosque story was in the Bolton paper a couple of weeks ago

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by broadbandking

I don't see the need for them, there are plenty around the west midlands no need for anymore, plus how many English go overseas and demand a mega church is built.

Good point. At this rate there will be more mosques than Churches.
People seem to be forgetting what England is about. Does no one want to hold on to a culture, a history of england, and tradition?
Soon England will have no individuality or identity as it once had!


As for parking spaces, you will find that a lot of councils are now building fewer car park spaces than the amount of car users to try and promote more use of public transport when building new buildings such as schools.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by marky

They are after building one in Bolton with a tower taller than the town hall clock, I aint rasict but I think the clock tower is over 100ft tall and I will protest.

That's not on wanting it to be bigger. is it bigger than the average tower (minaret)?

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Good point. At this rate there will be more mosques than Churches.
People seem to be forgetting what England is about. Does no one want to hold on to a culture, a history of england, and tradition?
Soon England will have no individuality or identity as it once had!

At the rate things are going we won't have an identity.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Good point. At this rate there will be more mosques than Churches.
People seem to be forgetting what England is about. Does no one want to hold on to a culture, a history of england, and tradition?
Soon England will have no individuality or identity as it once had!

What does it matter if there are more mosques than churches, or more supermarkets than churches for that matter?
Should people be forced to attend and donate to churches?

Bringing England's history, culture and tradition into it is interesting, which period of history? The pagan periods which make up more of our history than the period since, the catholic period, the CoE period, or the secular period?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

What does it matter if there are more mosques than churches,

Wouldn't it be seen as a dominant Muslim country by outsiders?
then your next question would have to be "what does it matter if Britain is now a more Muslim dominant country"

or more supermarkets than churches for that matter?

This isn't about supermarkets. we don't need to keep comparing them to the topic in hand. just like we don't need to bring in McDonald's.

Should people be forced to attend and donate to churches?

That would be forcing a religion onto someone.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Wouldn't it be seen as a dominant Muslim country by outsiders?
then your next question would have to be "what does it matter if Britain is now a more Muslim dominant country"

You mean rather than a secular dominant country? I know you're not suggesting that people are turning away from christianity and converting to islam.
70% of the population say they are christians, but 70% of the population do not regularly attend churches, so if they're not needed, it's right that they close. Remember, you don't have to go to church to be a christian.
Incidently, a tiny 4% of the population are muslim.

There are over 47,000 churches in Britain, compared with only 1,500 mosques.
So seriously, unless you are suggesting people are converting from christian and secular views to islam, how exactly would Britain be considered a dominant Muslim country?

Originally Posted by Gary L

This isn't about supermarkets. we don't need to keep comparing them to the topic in hand. just like we don't need to bring in McDonald's.

What about Wimpy?

Originally Posted by Gary L

That would be forcing a religion onto someone.

Are you concerned about the decline in the number of churches, or the possibility that there could one day be fewer churches than mosques?
If so, how would you increase the number of churches without forcing religion onto people?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

70% of the population say they are christians, but 70% of the population do not regularly attend churches, so if they're not needed, it's right that they close. Remember, you don't have to go to church to be a christian.

Why is it right that thay close? can't you just leave them as a historical kind of thing?

Incidently, a tiny 4% of the population are muslim.

You wouldn't believe it would you.

There are over 47,000 churches in Britain, compared with only 1,500 mosques.
So seriously, unless you are suggesting people are converting from christian and secular views to islam, how exactly would Britain be considered a dominant Muslim country?

I don't know. people think that the design of them is over powering? built to look like a palace? stands out like a leggy blonde in a short skirt and high heels?

Are you concerned about the decline in the number of churches,

I would be if you had them all knocked down for non-use.

or the possibility that there could one day be fewer churches than mosques?

It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top.

If so, how would you increase the number of churches without forcing religion onto people?

Why do we have to increase them? I thought they weren't being used?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why is it right that thay close? can't you just leave them as a historical kind of thing?

Close isn't the same as demolish
If there is no need for a church in an area, then

Originally Posted by Gary L

You wouldn't believe it would you.

Yes I would. Why wouldn't I?

Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't know. people think that the design of them is over powering? built to look like a palace? stands out like a leggy blonde in a short skirt and high heels?

You mean like this?

Originally Posted by Gary L

I would be if you had them all knocked down for non-use.

Again, where have I said they all should be knocked down for non-use?

Originally Posted by Gary L

It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top.

Surely too many would be when there are more than enough so that they aren't crowded causing congestion and have one lying empty because there is no use for it?

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why is it right that thay close? can't you just leave them as a historical kind of thing?



You wouldn't believe it would you.



I don't know. people think that the design of them is over powering? built to look like a palace? stands out like a leggy blonde in a short skirt and high heels?



I would be if you had them all knocked down for non-use.



It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top.



Why do we have to increase them? I thought they weren't being used?

Its not always necessary to have an answer for everything Gary, especially when the response is as vacuous as;


"You wouldn't believe it would you"

and my favourite.


"It's not so much 'more' it's more too many, too big, and a bit over the top."

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

... unless you are suggesting people are converting from christian and secular views to islam, how exactly would Britain be considered a dominant Muslim country?...

There are, of course, other faiths in Britain:

£1.5m synagogue to be built

... in Cambridge. And the local people are quite happy about it (according to the article: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...erans-club.htm).

I wonder if the protests against new Mosques has more to do with Islamaphobia than difficulty in finding a parking space.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

There are, of course, other faiths in Britain:

... in Cambridge. And the local people are quite happy about it (according to the article: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...erans-club.htm).

I wonder if the protests against new Mosques has more to do with Islamaphobia than difficulty in finding a parking space.

I wonder if you actually read the link you think proves your point?

It is hoped the central location will satisfy members of the synagogue who wish to walk to services for religious reasons, and help to attract more student members.

Whittlesford firm Cowper Griffith Architects will start work on the plans this week and Mr Harris said neighbours would have a chance to give their views.

Mr Harris said: "We want to build something for ourselves but we also want the commun¬ity to be happy with the building and with us being there. "We want something that blends in very nicely with local designs – there won’t be any domes or spires."

The Yasume Club was wound up in March 2008. Roger Chatterton, co-chair¬man of Brunswick and North Kite Residents’ Association, said he had been assured the development would not cause parking problems.

Easier to trot out insinuations of 'Islamaphobia', I presume you meant Islamophobia. I've no doubt there's some of this, but I would strongly also consider taking some objections at face value.

[Kymmy]

It seems that even muslims are against the building of mosques in some places

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8608282.stm

[roadwolf]

Xaccers.
How do you know that 4% of the population is muslim, What census has there been asking about religion?. What about the ones that are living here illegally?. You seem like the sort of person that would roll over and let your culture + country be taken away, while you sit there looking for stupid reasons why it should happen. Before you come out with anymore of your rubbish about the pagan period or the catholic period, don't forget our ancestors fought against this to make the country a better place, for people like you to live in and give away to all and sundry. This has been a predominantley Christian country for hundreds of years but when people ask what i am i say English, ask someone from the middle east and they reply Muslim. They do not identify with a country, only a religion, They are only going to be happy when every one in the UK is Muslim. Don't you think it's amazing that (by your estimate 4%) can have such an impact on on the way of life of the population of this country.