Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

How do you work that out? It was rejected because the impact on traffic and parking in the area would have on the highway safety and amenities of the residents. No mention of a requirement for a minimum number of parking spaces that must be provided by the mosque.

Did they have sufficient parking spaces on the grounds that would have alleviated the impact on the surrounding streets?

It goes to show that in the areas where mosques have been built, they don't impact highway safety or the amenities of the residents in an unacceptable way.

How did you work that out? just because it was approved it wasn't all down to safety or ameneties of the existing residents.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Did they have sufficient parking spaces on the grouds that would have alleviated the impact on the surrounding streets?

The mosque had no legal requirement to provide parking spaces.

Originally Posted by Gary L

How did you work that out? just because it was approved it wasn't all down to safety or ameneties of the existing residents.

So you're saying that if a planning application breaks one regulation, it can still be approved?
How many planning regulations have to be broken before an application is rejected?
Can you show the regulation which states that number?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The mosque had no legal requirement to provide parking spaces.

If they did then it might have been approved.

So you're saying that if a planning application breaks one regulation, it can still be approved?

No I'm saying that just because it was approved it wasn't all down to parking and the impact on residents.

How many planning regulations have to be broken before an application is rejected?

Don't know.

Can you show the regulation which states that number?

What's the number? I'll have a look.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If they did then it might have been approved.

That would depend.

Originally Posted by Gary L

No I'm saying that just because it was approved it wasn't all down to parking and the impact on residents.

Nor am I. I said that where the mosques were approved, they don't impact highway safety or the amenities of the residents in an unacceptable way. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten approval would they?
Of course they also adhered to all the other regulations required of them, hence why their planning was approved.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

That would depend.



Nor am I. I said that where the mosques were approved, they don't impact highway safety or the amenities of the residents in an unacceptable way. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten approval would they?
Of course they also adhered to all the other regulations required of them, hence why their planning was approved.

That would depend, means more than 1.
and if they did then they wouldn't have got the approval, means only 1.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Gary L

most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere, where just being there causes problems.

Just a little query Gary, "if most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere where are the mosques that are not built bang in the middle of somewhere built"?
Surely each of us and every building on earth is bang in the middle of "somewhere"? this begs the second question to your as usual rather cryptic post, "why is just being there causing problems"?
Surely its not because of those rather bushy beards some of the men wear...is it?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Just a little query Gary, "if most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere where are the mosques that are not built bang in the middle of somewhere built"?

Bang in the middle of out the way.

this begs the second question to your as usual rather cryptic post, "why is just being there causing problems"?
Surely its not because of those rather bushy beards some of the men wear...is it?

No. it's traffic and distruption. you must have missed all the other posts about it in the rush to mention the bushy beards

But "in the middle of out the way" is "somewhere"

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

But "in the middle of out the way" is "somewhere"

Yes. out the way somewhere.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No. it's traffic and distruption. you must have missed all the other posts about it in the rush to mention the bushy beards

but as has been said, if there would be an unacceptable impact on the safety of the highway in that area, planning permission would have been denied.
if patrons are double parking (which is parking alongside a parked vehicle, blocking the lane of the street, not parking on double yellow lines, for anyone who wasn't sure of the definition) then it's up to the council to enforce the parking restrictions.
if they're not, it's hardly the fault of the patrons now is it?

[Gary L]

That's a bit like saying you can't object to it if the council says there won't or shouldn't be a problem with parking. it would have been denied in the first place, so you can't complain at a later date when the amount of traffic is increasing with more people going there.

the enforcing of parking restrictions is down to the council. they're not doing anything. what's the next step?

Build another one. if it goes ahead then it means that the impact is deemed to not be a problem. until it does become a problem, and it gets ignored like the other one too.

How do they determine parking won't be a problem when there's no legal requirement to have a minimum amount of parking spaces? do they go around knocking on doors asking people if they're likely to attend and if so do you have a car to park?

[Xaccers]

If it starts to impact the safety of the highway, then the council has a duty to do somehing about it.
Have you actually reported it to the council giving evidence of the impact on safety?
Have you written to your MP giving evidence of the impact on safety?
That's what they're paid for, so make them work for their money.
Course it's much easier to sit back and moan isn't it? Bit like with pot holes, plenty of people will moan about them but few actually bother reporting them, which is why it can take so long for something to be done.

As to how they decide whether there will be an unacceptable detriment to highway safety, it's called a risk assessment.
You really haven't done anything at all about this issue in your area have you?
All you've done is come on here and moan right?
How about instead, if it genuinely is a problem to road safety, contact the council and your MP?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yes. out the way somewhere.

But wouldn't "out of the way somewhere"
a) cause more traffic congestion due to travelling "out of the way somewhere"
b) "out of the way somewhere" tends to be greenbelt, where it is almost impossible to get planning permission
c) sounds like nimbyism to me

Like most places of worship (churches, synagogues, etc) mosques tend to be built where most people live - cities and towns. Would you apply the same rules to synagogues and churches?

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Same with the one I know. the cars are double parked in the surrounding streets. blocking drives and blocking traffic getting through.

if you're down there at the time it's absolute mayhem. there's a little island with 7 exits. there's no traffic control. and everyone fights to enter and exit. you see people getting out of cars and arguing and everything!

The police can't and won't do anything. but you just know if this wasn't a mosque that was causing these problems something would be done along with loads of traffic offences and fines.

In fairness Gary, that junction's going to be fairly chaotic anyway - you've got 6 road exits (and 1 that, seeing as it looks like a path into a park, isn't going to have a massive amount of traffic).

Add that to the fact that one of the exits links directly to the Small Heath Highway (which has always been a horrible road traffic-wise), and I don't really see how you can attribute much of the parking / traffic difficulties to the mosque

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Nugget

In fairness Gary, that junction's going to be fairly chaotic anyway - you've got 6 road exits

Exactly.

Add that to the fact that one of the exits links directly to the Small Heath Highway (which has always been a horrible road traffic-wise)

Exactly.

and I don't really see how you can attribute much of the parking / traffic difficulties to the mosque

Hello?!!

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

You really haven't done anything at all about this issue in your area have you?
All you've done is come on here and moan right?
How about instead, if it genuinely is a problem to road safety, contact the council and your MP?

Just to let you know it doesn't affect me. only when I have to drive through that way. which I try really hard to avoid anyway.

I was voicing the problems of having mosques in built up areas.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

But wouldn't "out of the way somewhere"
a) cause more traffic congestion due to travelling "out of the way somewhere"

It doesn't have to.

b) "out of the way somewhere" tends to be greenbelt, where it is almost impossible to get planning permission

Try a plot of land that's away from little side roads.

sounds like nimbyism to me

That's when villagers say leave our village alone. put it in the city!

Like most places of worship (churches, synagogues, etc) mosques tend to be built where most people live - cities and towns. Would you apply the same rules to synagogues and churches?

Everybody knows that most of our churches were built years ago. and everything else was built around them at the time.
some even have land to bury people. acres of it. so within that land there is room for people and cars.

and as I said before. a lot of churches don't attract many people to them. the busiest I've seen a church is at a funeral.