Christian terrorists - Page 7

Escapee · 31-03-2010, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Russ

I don't know this Christian group's true motive as I've never heard of them before but as I see it, and I'm happy to be proven wrong, they are End Timers, that is Christians who believe what is written in Revelations is true in that one day all the Christians will be taken from the Earth by Jesus in what is called "The Rapture". Those left behind will soon enter a 7 year 'tribulation period' which will start off with 18 month of peace and relative calm after what will no doubt be a cataclismic period in human history. At this time a world leader will rise up and promise peace, he'll be charismatic and seen as a leader for change (imagine what Blair was like in 1997 and Barak Obama in his first week in office). This person will turn out to be the antichrist but is loved so much that no-one will possibly think of that. In secret he will try to turn society against Christians (after the rapture it is expected many will realise what has happened and turn to the bible and become christians) to the point that all Christians will be persecuted and put to death. There's a lot more to it (google 'end times' and 'left behind') but this is what I think is the crux of the matter for this terrorist group.

I think they're preparing for what they think is the war against Christians. For those who seem to consider my views very important, I disagree with what they're doing.

Thanks for the explanation.

I understood that Revelations was somewhat 'obscure' compared to the rest of the bible, it seems that both religions (Islam and Christian) contain the ammunition for those that wish to use it. (Or perhaps I should say misuse to keep the peace)

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

I wonder why the USA seems to be such a breeding ground for these extremists?

I don't believe it's that simple.

The USA has a much larger population and a higher percentage of practising Christians compared to the UK. (I'm sure Google would back that up) Compared with the amount of overall practising Christians in the USA, the number of Christian extremists they breed is not worth considering.

However, if we consider the number of people in the UK who follow Islam and then compare the number of hate preachers it would be more accurate to say percentage wise the UK is a breeding ground for extremists.

**Hugh** · 31-03-2010, 15:33

Re extremists in the US of A, you may find this of interest - the connection is that I think you will find most of them regard themselves as Christians.

SPLC Hate Map

Escapee · 31-03-2010, 16:11

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Re extremists in the US of A, you may find this of interest - the connection is that I think you will find most of them regard themselves as Christians.

SPLC Hate Map

Very interesting links, there doesn't seem to be a great deal of 'Christian' mentioned apart from references to a couple of Christian pastors/leaders. I think what's lacking when trying to understand these groups for me is 'what drives them', are they all driven by the same goal. In the case of Islamic terrorists the goal is clear, all groups are working for the same end result.

I will take my time and digest the Hate Map link.

31-03-2010, 22:51

On, what I hope is a related note I have a question that has been asked in several books I've read over the last 2 years or so.

The question asked was as follows.... Who shows the greater faith, the believer who kills (and perhaps dies in the act) as their holy book requires ? Or the believer who does not kill as their holy book instructs ?

**Chris** · 01-04-2010, 09:45

I'm not sure I understand the question ... could you rephrase it?

Gary L · 01-04-2010, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'm not sure I understand the question ... could you rephrase it?

I read it as 'a muslim that believes that killing in the name of Islam is the right thing to do, or the Christian that does not kill as the bible says not to'

I may be wrong.

Escapee · 01-04-2010, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'm not sure I understand the question ... could you rephrase it?

I guess the question is based around the Christian 'Thou shalt not kill' commandment in contrast to the Islamic quote instructing to convert or kill the unbeliever.

**Hugh** · 01-04-2010, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I guess the question is based around the Christian 'Thou shalt not kill' commandment in contrast to the Islamic quote instructing to convert or kill the unbeliever.

The bible has some fairly intolerant parts in it as well - link1 Link2

And the quote below seems to reflect the Islamic quote.

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Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

Gary L · 01-04-2010, 10:37

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

The bible has some fairly intolerant parts in it as well - link1 Link2

I suppose that means the 10 commandments thing is a load of baloney then?

**Hugh** · 01-04-2010, 10:41

No

Gary L · 01-04-2010, 11:00

So we'll take it as a clause in the main contract then.

**Hugh** · 01-04-2010, 11:10

You can take it however you want, Gary.

However, since the Bible is the Christian scriptures consisting of the Old and New Testaments, and a contract is a written or spoken agreement intended to be enforceable by law, you may be in a minority taking that way.....

Escapee · 01-04-2010, 11:33

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

The bible has some fairly intolerant parts in it as well - link1 Link2

And the quote below seems to reflect the Islamic quote.

But the 10 commandments are of course generally the first thing taught and what Christians are taught to abide by.

**Chris** · 01-04-2010, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Escapee

But the 10 commandments are of course generally the first thing taught and what Christians are taught to abide by.

Furthermore, the Bible is a large and complex book. Quote mining is fun but not very useful. It does all fit together, but it takes more than a one-liner in a forum post to show how.

**Hugh** · 01-04-2010, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Escapee

But the 10 commandments are of course generally the first thing taught and what Christians are taught to abide by.

But the corollary of that, to support your post

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I guess the question is based around the Christian 'Thou shalt not kill' commandment in contrast to the Islamic quote instructing to convert or kill the unbeliever.

would be that the generally the first thing Muslims are taught is "to convert or kill the unbeliever"?