Christian terrorists

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Russ

But who is saying they're not Muslims? Who are we to make that decision about them? And would that really be the prevailing issue?



They're following what they take as written in The Book of Revelations.

Thanks Russ, you know religion is not my strong point. Even though I was in church a few weeks ago, but that's another story.

[Dai]

There could be a 'familiarity' aspect to this also. The majority of us brought up in UK have grown up either in or around the Christian faith and are fairly intimately familiar with it's writings and teachings. So when you look at a group like these in the USA it's easy to see that they are not following mainstream Christian values and thus to denounce them as false.

For those of us less familiar with Islam it's very hard to make that same judgement.

Originally Posted by Gary L

They are Muslims. everyone knows that they're Muslims. but nobody knows whether someone who says they're a Christian terrorist really are Christians.

Could you clarify, please?

Are you stating that any Muslim who states they are carrying out a terrorist action in the name of Islam is definitely Muslim, but if it someone states they are Christian, and intend to carry out a terrorist action in the name of their religion, they might not be Christian?

That's how your statement reads to me, but I may be wrong, which is why I am requesting clarification.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Keep taking that medication, I'm sure it'll kick in soon.

Typical Russ

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Could you clarify, please?

Yes. who or what is a person who is assumed to be Muslim, if they are not a Muslim?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Typical Russ

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Yes. who or what is a person who is assumed to be Muslim, if they are not a Muslim?

My request for clarification referred to your point "nobody knows whether someone who says they're a Christian terrorist really are Christians" - but you probably knew that.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Another fairly decent thread on its way to ruin.........

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Another fairly decent thread on its way to ruin.........

yep, I have to keep going back to page 1 to remind myself what it was all about. Now my heads turning to mush trying to get my head round "if someone is x but not an x what are they"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Thanks Russ, you know religion is not my strong point. Even though I was in church a few weeks ago, but that's another story.

I don't know this Christian group's true motive as I've never heard of them before but as I see it, and I'm happy to be proven wrong, they are End Timers, that is Christians who believe what is written in Revelations is true in that one day all the Christians will be taken from the Earth by Jesus in what is called "The Rapture". Those left behind will soon enter a 7 year 'tribulation period' which will start off with 18 month of peace and relative calm after what will no doubt be a cataclismic period in human history. At this time a world leader will rise up and promise peace, he'll be charismatic and seen as a leader for change (imagine what Blair was like in 1997 and Barak Obama in his first week in office). This person will turn out to be the antichrist but is loved so much that no-one will possibly think of that. In secret he will try to turn society against Christians (after the rapture it is expected many will realise what has happened and turn to the bible and become christians) to the point that all Christians will be persecuted and put to death. There's a lot more to it (google 'end times' and 'left behind') but this is what I think is the crux of the matter for this terrorist group.

I think they're preparing for what they think is the war against Christians. For those who seem to consider my views very important, I disagree with what they're doing.

[Xaccers]

I seem to recall posting in a thread about muslims and bringing up that I was pretty sure they're not to harm women, children, the old and trees, so breaching that means you aren't following the teachings of Islam.
I also recall posting and witnessing posts where people have said that moderate muslims consider such actions as unislamic.
Of course, when you're being so unjustifiably negative about things, I suppose it's easy to have missed that.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

My request for clarification referred to your point "nobody knows whether someone who says they're a Christian terrorist really are Christians" - but you probably knew that.

Are you stating that any Muslim who states they are carrying out a terrorist action in the name of Islam is definitely Muslim,

if they look like a Muslim. yes. this is assuming that the Muslim terrorist looks like he was born in a Muslim country.

but if it someone states they are Christian, and intend to carry out a terrorist action in the name of their religion, they might not be Christian

yes.

[Stuart]

Just goes to show: There are nutters who will use *any* religion as an excuse for violence..

Originally Posted by Gary L

if they look like a Muslim. yes. this is assuming that the Muslim terrorist looks like he was born in a Muslim country.

Like the UK 7/7 bombers, who were all born in the UK? Or Richard Reid, the Shoe Bomber, who was born in the UK?

Originally Posted by Gary L

yes.

OK, Gary, let's try it a different way - if we swap the religions around from your original post, does it still make sense?

Originally Posted by Gary L

They are Muslims. everyone knows that they're Muslims. but nobody knows whether someone who says they're a Christian terrorist really are Christians.

Originally Posted by Gary L

They are Christians. everyone knows that they're Christians. but nobody knows whether someone who says they're a Muslim terrorist really are Muslims.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

OK, Gary, let's try it a different way - if we swap the religions around from your original post, does it still make sense?

No. because the Muslims that are saying they are Muslims are actual Muslims.
when a white person who doesn't look like he or she is from a certain ethnic minority. no distinguishing features about that person that would say they are from a certain religion/race/culture. then one can doubt that they are actual Christians.

What is someone who says they are a Christian, but not actually a Christian?
What is someone who says they are a Muslim, but not actually a Muslim?

in the case of the Muslim who looks like a Muslim. is there a strong possibility that he may be Catholic?

Originally Posted by Gary L

No. because the Muslims that are saying they are Muslims are actual Muslims.
when a white person who doesn't look like he or she is from a certain ethnic minority. no distinguishing features about that person that would say they are from a certain religion/race/culture. then one can doubt that they are actual Christians.

What is someone who says they are a Christian, but not actually a Christian?
What is someone who says they are a Muslim, but not actually a Muslim?

in the case of the Muslim who looks like a Muslim. is there a strong possibility that he may be Catholic?

Maggy checks the date..two days early for April Fool..scratches head and wonders if she's fallen through some sort of vortex that distorts perceptions and reality?

She also wonders how a thread about CHRISTIAN terrorists keeps coming back to Muslims...

I still feel like I've dropped down the White Rabbit's Burrow...