Britain's Islamic Republic

Guys, can some of you take a little more care over the [quote ] tags in your posts please, it is making things far messier and more difficult to read than is necessary.

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by martyh

could you tell me what's wrong with a priest performing a civil partnership
are you objecting because they are gay or because it is becoming part of British law and you think you are being dictated to

sure i will,you call it a civil partnership i and many others call it a marriage'
i object because they are gay and in the eyes of the lord homosexuality is an abbomination it is the work of the devil and in my opinion people of this persuasion should not be allowed on sacred ground let alone into a church.
i object because this law will be forced onto the clergy and open them up for possible prosecution just like the B&B lady.
the gays can already have civil ceromanies elsewhere why do they have to have it in church.
If its all about equality tough its a cruel world,and if they want to marry in church that much let them start there own church with there own gay clergy.there's plenty of unused churches out there why don't they ask the church hierachy to let them have a few of these empty churches.
problem solved
simples.

Originally Posted by ashgray

sure i will,you call it a civil partnership i and many others call it a marriage'
i object because they are gay and in the eyes of the lord homosexuality is an abbomination it is the work of the devil and in my opinion people of this persuasion should not be allowed on sacred ground let alone into a church.
i object because this law will be forced onto the clergy and open them up for possible prosecution just like the B&B lady.
the gays can already have civil ceromanies elsewhere why do they have to have it in church.
If its all about equality tough its a cruel world,and if they want to marry in church that much let them start there own church with there own gay clergy.there's plenty of unused churches out there why don't they ask the church hierachy to let them have a few of these empty churches.
problem solved
simples.

ok, putting aside the homophobic rant which i will treat as the ignorant rubbish it is ,you have to realise that the church isn't being forced to do anything read the times link that YOU posted
Also you are only allowed to have such thoughts and have the means to voice them or put them in print because we don't live in a dictatorship


i am now going to do what most people on this forum ,gays and straight are probably doing and that is ignore any more posts from you

[ashgray]

"then the people who have left the c of e because they object to gay vicas and civil partnerships don't deserve to be a member of any church and the c of e is better without them
and they probably have asked the "indians" what they think and the majority of the "indians" have said they approve of gay vicas and civil partnerships"

Some of these people you say don't deserve to be members of the c of e have worshipped for 50 years and more.they have paid there due's to the church every week.
in my opinion they deserve to be in the c of e a million times more than a couple of gays who wants to get married in church just because they can and to say up yours to people like me.

And no ordinary members of the congregation have ever been consulted on these issuse.they have been told its going to happen and theres nothing you can do about it.

its just another case of politicians poking there nose where its not wanted because they can't leave anything alone.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ashgray

sure i will,you call it a civil partnership i and many others call it a marriage'
i object because they are gay and in the eyes of the lord homosexuality is an abbomination it is the work of the devil and in my opinion people of this persuasion should not be allowed on sacred ground let alone into a church.
i object because this law will be forced onto the clergy and open them up for possible prosecution just like the B&B lady.
the gays can already have civil ceromanies elsewhere why do they have to have it in church.
If its all about equality tough its a cruel world,and if they want to marry in church that much let them start there own church with there own gay clergy.there's plenty of unused churches out there why don't they ask the church hierachy to let them have a few of these empty churches.
problem solved
simples.

hmmm i smell a Christian in the house

Er what the hell has homosexuality got to do with this thread in anyway shape or form thats putting aside the rather ignorant rant that has already occured. If your that unhappy about the whole gay marriage thing make a thread about it don't hijack someone elses. So we're all agreed we don't want any form of religious state and most of us will oppose such a thing, thats sorted that then .

[danielf]

Perhaps there is a fear that we will all be forced into same-sex marriages in Muslim-run Britain?

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by martyh

ok, putting aside the homophobic rant which i will treat as the ignorant rubbish it is ,you have to realise that the church isn't being forced to do anything read the times link that YOU posted
Also you are only allowed to have such thoughts and have the means to voice them or put them in print because we don't live in a dictatorship


i am now going to do what most people on this forum ,gays and straight are probably doing and that is ignore any more posts from you

Now thats not very nice is it.i suppose you were one of those kids that asked for your ball back when you were a kid because you were getting beat at football.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

Perhaps there is a fear that we will all be forced into same-sex marriages in Muslim-run Britain?

i dont know about that but

The Islamic Republic of Iran--under the new government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad--is engaged in a major anti-homosexual pogrom targeting gays and gay sex. This campaign includes Internet entrapment, blackmail to force arrested gays to inform on others, torture and executions of those found guilty of engaging in "homosexual acts."

Homosexual acts have been considered a capital crime in Iran since the 1979 revolution that brought the Ayatollah Khomeini to power. Iranians found guilty of gay lovemaking are given a choice of four death styles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword or dropped from the highest perch. According to Article 152 of Iran's penal law, if two men not related by blood are found naked under one cover without good reason, both will be punished at a judge's discretion.

http://skeptically.org/hhor/id10.html

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by danielf

Perhaps there is a fear that we will all be forced into same-sex marriages in Muslim-run Britain?

I very much doubt it.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

hmmm i smell a Christian in the house

And whats wrong with that.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ashgray

I very much doubt it.

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And whats wrong with that.

oh nothing at all
its just there seem to be two types of Christian in the world nice ones who live there own lives and allow others to do the same and intolerant ones who get there beak into every one elses business and promises the wrath of God to any one they disapprove of .

carry on

[ashgray]

No replies then about gays having there own churches then,after all they've got there own gay bars why not there own gay churches.

or is no one communicating with me just like spoiled children.

and with this thread being about islam do you think this government will tell the muslim clerics that they will have to allow these civil ceromonies in there mosques.
I very much doubt it.

Guys and gals, you just have to read ashgay's posts to realise he is not looking for a discussion, he just wants to rant and rave - he doesn't read/take any notice of any contradictory evidence to his world view, so it's pretty pointless trying to have a rational discussion with him.

ash, baby, you stated in a previous post

I know quite a few people who attend church and they are against gay marriages in church and they think vicars should not be put in this position.I even know of devout christians who have left the c of e and become catholic because of gay vicars and bishops.

And I know quite a few people who attend church (me and my family being amongst them) who have no issues with ceremonies being held in church, and are pleased that the amendment leaves it up to the vicar, as they believe that love is a wonderful thing, and it should be celebrated, not decried, no matter the sexuality of the couple involved.

btw, you don't see the irony of people leaving the C of E because of "gay vicars and bishops" at a time of great scandal in the RC church due to kiddy-fiddling with young boys? (I am ex-RC (as far as anyone ever can be ex-RC), and I find the Pope's letter a welcome first step, but only a very small first step - it wasn't social changes that caused the problem, it was frustrated celibate priests).

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Guys and gals, you just have to read ashgay's posts to realise he is not looking for a discussion, he just wants to rant and rave - he doesn't read/take any notice of any contradictory evidence to his world view, so it's pretty pointless trying to have a rational discussion with him.

watch your r's mate you seem to be dropping them


found this
http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Chur...d_a_church.htm
so anyone looking for a gay friendly church so they dont have to meet up with mr bigot and co .

So it should be ignore,ignore,ignore from everyone.

Anyway I'm going boss eyed with weariness.

Try to play nicely.