OFCOM ready to rule?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Indeed, I'm looking forward to them doing more of this through a requirement for VM to either wholesale or offer duct access along with BT in the near future

As long as it goes both ways ie if BT or Sky want it then make them pay the commercial rate that will be set.

A company has just asked for and will get £600000 over a couple of years at present prices for 10 km's of core duct space and wayleave Please dont ask me who or where on here as i will not be answering it.

[Dukefever]

Originally Posted by kgollop

No mention of the HD channels in that report though. Maybe Sky might want to start selling them to VM to make up some of the shortfall in revenue from the price drop?

The HD channels are available, Virgin choose not to provide due to bandwith issues and potential cost before todays PAY TV announcement. Something that has changed in the last couple of months where Virgin now have the capacity to provide.

Expect to see SKY HD channels at a premium cost soon.

Duke

Originally Posted by Dukefever

The HD channels are available, Virgin choose not to provide due to bandwith issues and potential cost before todays PAY TV announcement. Something that has changed in the last couple of months where Virgin now have the capacity to provide.

Expect to see SKY HD channels at a premium cost soon.

Duke

Any mention of interactive red button services on sky sports in the report i wonder? ofcon did mention those in an earlier round of the mammoth pay tv enquirey.

And sky use these streams quite often now.

[Andrewcrawford23]

Originally Posted by richard1960

Any mention of interactive red button services on sky sports in the report i wonder? ofcon did mention those in an earlier round of the mammoth pay tv enquirey.

And sky use these streams quite often now.

full report isnt out yet but i tink it does include red button movies nad psort and hd movies and sports, and it iwll also cover sky 1 if they use that for any sport broadcsats in the future

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

full report isnt out yet but i tink it does include red button movies nad psort and hd movies and sports, and it iwll also cover sky 1 if they use that for any sport broadcsats in the future

Thanks very much for the info,keeping my fingers crossed it includes the above.

[Acidphire21]

have to say if the choice was HD sport or Red button, id have to go with the red button as its brilliant if only for fans of teams outside the sky 4.

if we do get the red button reckon VM would let us record it like sky do?

e.g. record screen 3 of match choice for instance?

[tvtimes]

Without the full report we can not be sure of what OFcom have ruled. There may be clauses that are beneficial for Sky or VM.

Originally Posted by tvtimes

Without the full report we can not be sure of what OFcom have ruled. There may be clauses that are beneficial for Sky or VM.

Well tvtimes i hope it will not be much longer nearly three years in the making it should be something pretty special LOL.

I just hope it contains enough to justify the time spent,personally i think vm customers should be able to access the red button on sky sports after all we are subbed the same as skys own customer base more or less,and there is less value in them for us.

Especially people like myself who through no fault of our own cannot get sky even if we wanted.

As has been said i would rather the red button then the HD,but we shall wait and see. ofcon surely cannot hold on to the report much longer.

Just because the report comes out doens't mean we will see SKY HD or red button any time soon.

Sky will prolong the process as much as they can with an appeal UNLESS Ofcom has allowed Sky some sweetners to allow OFCOM'S ruleing to go unchallenged.

As much as i wnt Sky HD sports and red button on VM, part of me thinks as Sky invested in the first place why should they have to give anything to VM and BT.

You could argue they were a monoploy at the time but should we be retrospectivley penailising them for that?

I dunno...

[zantarous]

OFCOM has already said it would use its powers to force the changes through while any appeal goes on.

It will still take time, not a matterof days i would suggest. The election is in a few weeks time....it may all change after that!

Originally Posted by Mobes

Just because the report comes out doens't mean we will see SKY HD or red button any time soon.

Sky will prolong the process as much as they can with an appeal UNLESS Ofcom has allowed Sky some sweetners to allow OFCOM'S ruleing to go unchallenged.

As much as i wnt Sky HD sports and red button on VM, part of me thinks as Sky invested in the first place why should they have to give anything to VM and BT.

You could argue they were a monoploy at the time but should we be retrospectivley penailising them for that?

I dunno...

Er sky are not giving the channels away vm pay for them and so do i through vm. Yes sky did invest in the first place but i am a consumer myself not a buisness and as a consumer who CANNOT get sky i do not see why i should not have access to sport i want to watch because one near monopoly bought up the rights.

Also i remember well when BT were privatised in the 80s they were expressively banned from starting a tv network by the then conservative government, for fear that due to their size they would crush any company that wanted to compete, ironic that considering sky are in that position now. So it could be argued sky had more then a little helping hand there.

Sky may not be in a position to delay implimentation as ofcon could order sky to do it and allow them to appeal retrospectively to halt any delay until after a general election when a prospective conservative government may stop it.

All will only be clear when the details are published and yes the rumour is ofcon have sweetened the pill with a nod to picnic if sky are still interested.

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Originally Posted by zantarous

OFCOM has already said it would use its powers to force the changes through while any appeal goes on.

Yes they have suggested they will do this otherwise the fear is this could go on as long as the itv shares court saga in which sky threw limitless money at barristers and lawyers and still lost the case.

Just because you're not a buisnessman Richard doesn't mean you shouldn't think about the buisness side of things...I cannot get Sky either, massive great tree in my backgarden but that doesn't have any bearing on the argument either.

Also, you DO have access to their sport, just not in HD. i want their sport and Movies in HD too...

All im saying is i can see Sky's point.

[zantarous]

If the Cameron wins it is not as if the first day in office he rip OFCOM to shreds he has much bigger fish to fry, and even big senior members of the Conservative party have voiced concerns on plans to do so. Plus the hardwork is already done, the matter can be reffered to The OFT the Competition commission. Stripping OFCOM of powers will only delay the inevitable.

There is also the EU who the case can be referred to, they have already forced Sky Italia to give up their presence on DTT in Italy. If there is one thing the EU love, it is taking on the big boys.

Sky have a duty to share what they have built with the rest of the industry, they may have invested heavily but if you are the only game in town you should not be able to with hold content as they currently do with the red button even though Cable customers pay the same.

Another story has surfaced, although I can't believe there is any truth to it, OFCOM may force Sky to offer sports and movies on DTT before Picnic http://www.newstatesman.com/broadcas...ia-ofcom-bskyb

Originally Posted by Mobes

Just because you're not a buisnessman Richard doesn't mean you shouldn't think about the buisness side of things...I cannot get Sky either, massive great tree in my backgarden but that doesn't have any bearing on the argument either.

Also, you DO have access to their sport, just not in HD. i want their sport and Movies in HD too...

All im saying is i can see Sky's point.

Fair enough Mobes but i come from a consumer angle,and whilst i may have access to their sport that is only thanks to regulation (the rate card) which states that NTL/vm now, must have access to sports/movies at regulated prices.(office of fair trade ruling i think a few years ago) after the itv digital fiasco.

ofcom have seen all the buisiness side of things as there have been plenty of consultations in the pay tv enquirey( profit margins and such were blacked out so the public could not see them online so i cannot say if sky could cut the price and still return healthy profits ) so i do not need to think about skys business side as ofcom have done and know more then i could ever do.

Also i do not have access to all of their sport a lot is now hidden away under the red button which obviously is not yet available to us despite paying a hefty sub. But Mobes we shall have to wait and see.