Ban the burkha ? - Page 13

**Hugh** · 20-01-2010, 09:36

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Originally Posted by martyh

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already addressed that Russ and there has been quite a few in recent years examples in previous posts

That's exaggerating a little (well, quite a lot) - there have been a couple in the last few years; there have been lots involving hoodies, crash helmets, and ski-masks.

**Chris** · 20-01-2010, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Its quite simple if you refuse to remove your facial covering being it a motorcycle helmet, hat, veil or any other garment that may be covering your face when going into a place that requires your face to be seen then you should be disallowed from entry.

I would tend to agree on that point, Moldova. Unfortunately, some people in this thread seem to be trying to suggest that there is something uniquely threatening about the burkha, such that it should be banned outright. That, to me, is draconian and unacceptable in a free and democratic society.

TheDaddy · 20-01-2010, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Chris

to me, is draconian and unacceptable in a free and democratic society.

Funnily enough I'd bet a lot of people calling for the ban say the same, except they'd add the word oppressive to your list.

**Chris** · 20-01-2010, 16:24

It may well be oppressive, but is it the job of the State to legislate against culture and tradition? That's a whole different can of worms than issues of security.

TheDaddy · 20-01-2010, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Chris

It may well be oppressive, but is it the job of the State to legislate against culture and tradition?

I think it may well be the states job when those cultures and traditions go against everything this country has stood for and in more recent times has made specific laws to protect people from being oppressed, discriminated against and coerced into doing things against their will.

Mr Angry · 20-01-2010, 16:53

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

....and coerced into doing things against their will.

That works both ways.

Gary L · 20-01-2010, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

That works both ways.

I don't understand?

Peter_ · 20-01-2010, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Chris

I would tend to agree on that point, Moldova. Unfortunately, some people in this thread seem to be trying to suggest that there is something uniquely threatening about the burkha, such that it should be banned outright. That, to me, is draconian and unacceptable in a free and democratic society.

As I said in my post above, the should be no exceptions purely for security reasons but otherwise it does not bother me what they want to wear.

This is supposed to be a free country so we should have need to ban this style of dress.

Jimmy-J · 07-02-2010, 16:53

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Armed robbers disguised in burkhas carry out Â£4,000 raid

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Now those fighting for the ban claim the robbery – which is the first of its kind in France – shows how useful the burkha is as a disguise.

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07-02-2010, 17:03

france will just ban it outright and refuse to take any crap from the freedom brigade

**Maggy** · 07-02-2010, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Product 13

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Well that's France who already are trying to ban this item of clothing..They really do have a poor relationship with the Muslims in their country so I don't see why we should copy them..

nomadking · 07-02-2010, 17:13

IMHO The issue of complete bans has only arisen because of the problems of partial/selective bans. You can ban the wearing of motorcycle helmets in banks etc but not the burkha etc, although the reasons for any ban would be the same, ie concealment of faces. It ends up with the only solution being a complete ban.

07-02-2010, 17:16

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Originally Posted by nomadking

IMHO The issue of complete bans has only arisen because of the problems of partial/selective bans. You can ban the wearing of motorcycle helmets in banks etc but not the burkha etc, although the reasons for any ban would be the same, ie concealment of faces. It ends up with the only solution being a complete ban.

even without a complete ban people wearing the burkha will start to be viewed suspiciously just as someone walking down the street in a balaclava is assumed to be a bank robber

**Maggy** · 07-02-2010, 17:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking

IMHO The issue of complete bans has only arisen because of the problems of partial/selective bans. You can ban the wearing of motorcycle helmets in banks etc but not the burkha etc, although the reasons for any ban would be the same, ie concealment of faces. It ends up with the only solution being a complete ban.

But in the situation like a bank you only have to refuse permission to enter.

A complete ban on the wearing of a burkha anywhere in Britain is a complete overkill which is what is envisioned in this thread.not the banning in certain institutions.

07-02-2010, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

But in the situation like a bank you only have to refude permission to enter.

A complete ban on the wearing of a burkha anywhere in Britain is a complete overkill which is what is envisioned in this thread.not the banning in certain institutions.

how do you refuse a bank robber permission to enter a bank ?
it's getting into the bank in the first place that the burkha is most useful whereas someone in a balaclava approaching a bank is going to raise suspicion