Full body scanners break child porn laws....

I think it is a good approach, but Ben-Gurion airport has the same travel stats as Birmingham airport (just above 10 million passengers a year), so Heathrow/Gatwick may have a problem with all these manual checks.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Chris

I've changed your link so it points to the original news source, rather than the forum where it was copied and pasted in its entirety.

Very interesting find though. I wonder what the chances are of this country ever implementing something so simple yet effective.

I thought the discussion after was prtty interesting so I thought i'd link and kill 2 birds with one stone but whatever works.

Originally Posted by punky

I thought the discussion after was prtty interesting so I thought i'd link and kill 2 birds with one stone but whatever works.

Fair point - here's the forum link as well, in that case

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...le-bother.html

[punky]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I think it is a good approach, but Ben-Gurion airport has the same travel stats as Birmingham airport (just above 10 million passengers a year), so Heathrow/Gatwick may have a problem with all these manual checks.

I see no obvious reason why the process couldn't be scaled up. Also if you look at the number of passengers as a proportion of population (for the provision of trained, available staff) Ben Gurion is quite a bit "busier" than Heathrow.

Behavior profiling isn't anything particularly new but the having lots of small, unintrusive checks instead of 1 lrge intrusive one is quite radical. But makes sense when you think about it. With 'our' way, you only need to fool 1 or members of staff. They could be tired or lazy or new. The chances are you won't get lazy, tired or new staff if you meet 7 or 8 of them along the way.

I would like to know the false-positives rate though and how well they are dealt with.

I think we can learn a lot from Israel. They've suffered from terrorism for 50 odd years now almost constantly at the level of The Troubles. We're quite lucky in that respect.

[rogerdraig]

the two questions going into the car park would bring the roads arround the biggest airports to a stand still to start off


upscalling this wont work they deal with a far less diverse amount of people over there to here

better would be to use the lists they already have that have had all the people that have got on the planes already on it before they got on and get people to properly use that information which they clearly are not doing at the moment

[Mr Angry]

The ex-squaddies who served here in NI will probably recall that several procedures similar to the Ben Gurion set up were in place at the then Aldergrove (now Belfast International) airport during The Troubles™.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

The ex-squaddies who served here in NI will probably recall that several procedures similar to the Ben Gurion set up were in place at the then Aldergrove (now Belfast International) airport during The Troublesâ„¢.

Is that good or bad?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by punky

Is that good or bad?

It worked out pretty good from a safety perspective.

That said, you were dealing with a different calibre of terrorist / terrorist mindset in those days so getting explosives onto a flight was not perhaps a priority back then.

The random stop & check on the approach roads, nevermind the on site security checks, was enough to deter anyone trying anything.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

It worked out pretty good from a safety perspective.

That said, you were dealing with a different calibre of terrorist / terrorist mindset in those days so getting explosives onto a flight was not perhaps a priority back then.

The random stop & check on the approach roads, nevermind the on site security checks, was enough to deter anyone trying anything.

i think the fact that blowing up planes would likely had a bad impact on the economy of southern Ireland had a lot to do with them not blowing up planes and that they didnt often commit suicide attacks was as big a factor as the security which was more aimed in any case on tracking where they were and where they were going

and a again wasnt a big airport in real terms

if you just want to stop walk on bombers the best option is as i said get every one to strip put them in the white crime scene suits and give them back their stuff at the other end

those like me who need meds etc would need to arrange in advance for meds to be on plane

[Stuart]

Interesting article in Private Eye (8th - 21st January, page 6 top right of page).

It's about the full body scanners. It starts off by pointing out that GB has followed his leaders (the US) and announced implementation at UK airports, despite the fact that these scanners are unlikely to detect liquid or plastic explosives.

It also makes the point that in the week after the attempted bombing, a certain Michael Chertoff (Bushs ex-homeland security advisor) was telling anyone in the media that congress need fund a large scale implemention of next generation security systems, and blaming the American Civl Liberties Union for holding them back.

The said Chertoff eventually admitted (after a direct question on CNN) that his lobbying company has RapiScan (the manufacturer of the scanners in question) as a client.

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

if you just want to stop walk on bombers the best option is as i said get every one to strip put them in the white crime scene suits and give them back their stuff at the other end

Which wouldn't stop people stuffing the components of liquid explosives in various orifices, and would actually slow getting on/off planes too much to be viable.

[rogerdraig]

the scanners that they are deploying wont pick up on internal smuggled explosives anyway so the body suit is better idea than them as it gets rid of all options of smuggling it on in or under your clothes something the body scanners cant claim either

as to internal smuggling nothing bar full body cavity searches maybe along with proper X ray body scans would do that
see
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...body-cavities/
http://www.neschllc.com/

as to time taken still would be a lot less than the idea of following Israeli way of doing it and If every one knew they would be changing i would think they would come in simple to change stuff any how

hmm can i patent the "all in one pre flight paper body" suit easy to tear of before flight

could be a money spinner that

Now the Equality and Human Rights Commission says the scanners may breach the Human Rights Act (right to privacy):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8464266.stm

[punky]

Is there a right to privacy when travelling on private property?

On a high street or at a corden outside of a protest target is one thing, but noone's forced to travel by air.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by punky

Is there a right to privacy when travelling on private property?

On a high street or at a corden outside of a protest target is one thing, but noone's forced to travel by air.

Depends. If it's enshrined in law, there probably is. After all, UK laws apply as long as you are on UK soil, whether you are on private property or not.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

Now the Equality and Human Rights Commission says the scanners may breach the Human Rights Act (right to privacy)

Surely getting frisked by a security guard is just the same and probably more infringing of privacy