How to make students even more unpopular

Originally Posted by soicky

Didn't know Malcolm X was in the syllabus. What years are you taught about him?

Years 9.10.11.

I think Stuart has hit the nail on the head..it's to shock..

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by soicky

So did i.

They get them all, my daughter did them and she is 20 and now in Uni but was taught about them in school.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by martyh

I would hope that in a few years when puberty kicks in they will be mature enough to realise how wrong they have been

Since you have to be 13 to legitimately join facebook, and probably to know what the holocaust is, I would probably presume that these people have reached puberty... I knew what it was before I did.

Originally Posted by nffc

Since you have to be 13 to legitimately join facebook, and probably to know what the holocaust is, I would probably presume that these people have reached puberty... I knew what it was before I did.

i was being sarcastic! ....as in not mature enough for puberty

[Welshchris]

i have a Jewish grand mother, my dads mum and didnt know she was Jewish until my sister was doing our family tree and i can always remember someone thinking they were clever saying a joke in her presence "Why did Hitler commit suicide? he had the gas bill" and he apparently knew of her family and wondered why she was horrified.

[punky]

With everything going on in the world, is this really what matters? Really worth all the time and effort fighting it?

Distasteful as it was, they weren't doing anyone any harm. They were minding their own business and other people should do the same. I certainly have more important things to worry about than going around and vetting students' drinking games for taste and decency.

Mr Harris' comments disappoint me. I thought WW2 was to give us freedom.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

There is no excuse for any British born and educated teenager not to know about Hitler, WW1 and WW11,the Holocaust,the Cold War the division of Berlin, Martin Luther King,Malcom X as they are part of the GCSE history syllabus and the RE syllabus.

In that case GCSE History has changed since I had to sit through....

The History of Medicine.
The History of the American West.
The History of Australia.

As soon as I saw that llist of crap I should have swapped to Geography....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by punky

With everything going on in the world, is this really what matters? Really worth all the time and effort fighting it?

Distasteful as it was, they weren't doing anyone any harm. They were minding their own business and other people should do the same. I certainly have more important things to worry about than going around and vetting students' drinking games for taste and decency.

Mr Harris' comments disappoint me. I thought WW2 was to give us freedom.

Agreed, 100,000 people were killed a few days ago, and were focusing on a few kids drinking games

My daughter is 18 and my son is 16 and they were taught nothing at all about the second world war during their time in state education, schools attended were welland park secondary, market harborough, leicestershire and robert smyth upper same town. Also none of their friends have any idea either and they attended schools in places like kettering, corby and leicester so forgive me if i am not seeing how this is a major part of history in schools where i live.

Local RBL has taken to giving lectures in local youth clubs to try and raise awareness and understanding of those events for the kids in my area which i think is probably a lot better then soemone reading it who didn't experience it. Those talks have impacted many of the kids as the men telling them their recollections were little older then some of them when they were in the war that seems to have hit home very well.

After asking them last night they didn't just do china they also did the canal system in the UK and how it was built and why but not a single thing on either of the WW's. So if this is a required part of history how the hell is it being ignored seemingly by a number of schools here as surely if it is part of the syllabus they have to teach it or can schools now decide what parts they do or don't teach.

I totally agree there is a shock element in this but i would bet money if you spoke to some of those students they wouldn't know much about the events they are mocking and therefore do not realise how offensive and disgusting this is. As Stuart said students always find something to shock and while i think there should be limits in how shocking you should be if any of those students are like mine and other parents kids round here they really do not know what they are mocking.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

My daughter is 18 and my son is 16 and they were taught nothing at all about the second world war during their time in state education, schools attended were welland park secondary, market harborough, leicestershire and robert smyth upper same town. Also none of their friends have any idea either and they attended schools in places like kettering, corby and leicester so forgive me if i am not seeing how this is a major part of history in schools where i live.

Local RBL has taken to giving lectures in local youth clubs to try and raise awareness and understanding of those events for the kids in my area which i think is probably a lot better then soemone reading it who didn't experience it. Those talks have impacted many of the kids as the men telling them their recollections were little older then some of them when they were in the war that seems to have hit home very well.

After asking them last night they didn't just do china they also did the canal system in the UK and how it was built and why but not a single thing on either of the WW's. So if this is a required part of history how the hell is it being ignored seemingly by a number of schools here as surely if it is part of the syllabus they have to teach it or can schools now decide what parts they do or don't teach. .

Did they do History GCSE? I mean I thought the syballus is set so it didn't matter where you were you had to learn about Nazi Germany.

Isn't history a core subject anymore ? and if it isn't why isn't it surely learning of the past should be something everyone does it was a core subject when i was at school. If it is now an optional subject then no they probably didn't do it but again i would ask why learning about your nations past isn't a required thing surely that explains a lot about why some of our youth have identity issue's when they don't even get taught about their nation.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Isn't history a core subject anymore ? and if it isn't why isn't it surely learning of the past should be something everyone does it was a core subject when i was at school. If it is now an optional subject then no they probably didn't do it but again i would ask why learning about your nations past isn't a required thing surely that explains a lot about why some of our youth have identity issue's when they don't even get taught about their nation.

In my school it was optional at GCSE level. Up until year 10 you had to do History then you chose if you wanted to do History, Geography, Sociology or Religious Studies. Maybe that's the reason.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Isn't history a core subject anymore ? and if it isn't why isn't it surely learning of the past should be something everyone does it was a core subject when i was at school. If it is now an optional subject then no they probably didn't do it but again i would ask why learning about your nations past isn't a required thing surely that explains a lot about why some of our youth have identity issue's when they don't even get taught about their nation.

It is only optional in years 10 and 11.

Geography,History,RE are core subject between years 7,8 and 9.

Year 9 Study WW1,WW11,Cold war and some post war history.In RE Year 9 deal with the Holocaust,Martin Luther King,Malcom X,Delai Lama and other 20C religious history that deals with human rights.

Also there are new choices at GCSE,Health and Social Care,Philosophy,Travel Business Studies(replacing geography as a choice for some).

Trouble is I cannot see the choices being there as cutbacks take their toll.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

While it is easy to condemn i remember only too well having to educate my own children on the second world war and all it entailed so i am not shocked that there is ignorance in the youth of today or a compete lack of understanding on their part how offensive they have been. Personally i blame the education system we have and while i am sure some schools do teach about that era in history my kids were educated on china 1923-1949.

They can tell you all about the kuomintang (however it is spelt) mao tse tung and the great march but know nothing about people like hitler or churchill. They covered the right time period but never touched on absolutely anything about the UK, europe or any of the events that happened in that time period closer to home. As so often with our youth the blame for their actions lies somewhere else and the complete failure of other people to properly educate them.

So, throughout the whole eleven to thirteen years they spent at school all they learned in History is about China between nineteen twenty-three and nineteen forty-nine? Flyboy10 spent two whole terms last year on the second world war. He knows a considerable amount about what happened, including the Holocaust. If these students' have chosen to ignore their history lessons then I am afraid it is entirely of their own doing.

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Originally Posted by martyh

that's news to me ,my 14 yr old has done nothing on either war as far as i know

The second world war is part of the key stage three curriculum, did he not go to junior school?

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Originally Posted by martyh

correction i just asked him and they do both wars and damien is correct it is a major part of the history gcse

Aah, then I withdraw my earlier comment.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So, throughout the whole eleven to thirteen years they spent at school all they learned in History is about China between nineteen twenty-three and nineteen forty-nine? Flyboy10 spent two whole terms last year on the second world war. He knows a considerable amount about what happened, including the Holocaust. If these students' have chosen to ignore their history lessons then I am afraid it is entirely of their own doing.

You don't have any reason to suspect his kids didn't pay attention.