£15 extra tax on car fines

[WelshPaul]

Originally Posted by Toto

But he is spot on.

These additional fines count for naught if people drove within the speed limit and parked their vehicles responsibly.

Yes, the government is targeting drivers again.....BAD DRIVERS. The simple fact of the matter is, they are easy targets because the never learn.

I agree, this will only effect those who choose to break the law or those who need to re-take some driving lessons. (Not just for their safety but everyone's)

The amount of people who zoom straight through red lights or those doing 50 or 60 in a 30 zone is just shocking down my way.

Originally Posted by Toto

But he is spot on.

These additional fines count for naught if people drove within the speed limit and parked their vehicles responsibly.

Yes, the government is targeting drivers again.....BAD DRIVERS. The simple fact of the matter is, they are easy targets because the never learn.

Oh to live in a perfect world hey?
And the government target ALL drivers every day, whether you do 30 in a 30 or 45 in a 30.
Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.
Car parking charges when we pay road tax.
So, just because you may not speed or jump a red does not mean you're not being taken for a ride!

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Oh to live in a perfect world hey?
And the government target ALL drivers every day, whether you do 30 in a 30 or 45 in a 30.

If you can't do the time............

Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.

Really? Where did you hear that?

Car parking charges when we pay road tax.

So, do you think we should be able to park anywhere we want?

So, just because you may not speed or jump a red does not mean you're not being taken for a ride!

Aah well, the ever increasing costs of motoring, no one is worse off than anyone else.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.

While fuel duty is extremely high in the UK, its not quite that high yet.

The below is quoted from : http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

On 1 April 2009 the duty rate for unleaded petrol and diesel was icreased by 1.84 ppl to 54.19p per litre and again on 1 September 2009 by 2 ppl to reach the current level of 56.19 per litre. These rates will be increased further on 1 April 2010 to 2013 by 1% above inflation each year.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

If you can't do the time............



Really? Where did you hear that?



So, do you think we should be able to park anywhere we want?




Aah well, the ever increasing costs of motoring, no one is worse off than anyone else.

Sorry Flyboy I fell asleep after your first line
Confusing not wearing a seatbelt with a real crime like murder.
Confusing talking on a mobile phone while driving with a real crime like mugging.
This is the issue with our governments, not tackling the real issues, paying people tax payers money to find ways of wringing more money from us.
And yes, if I pay road tax I should be able to park anywhere free so long as I am not causing an obstruction, or do you like throwing money after bad?

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

While fuel duty is extremely high in the UK, its not quite that high yet.

The below is quoted from : http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

Sorry Earl if you did not see the tongue firmly in cheek, but my calculation wont be far from wrong very sooner than you and others think.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Sorry Flyboy I fell asleep after your first line
Confusing not wearing a seatbelt with a real crime like murder.
Confusing talking on a mobile phone while driving with a real crime like mugging.
This is the issue with our governments, not tackling the real issues, paying people tax payers money to find ways of wringing more money from us.
And yes, if I pay road tax I should be able to park anywhere free so long as I am not causing an obstruction, or do you like throwing money after bad?

Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people, or do not think that is serious enough? Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well, parents who are stupid enough to allow their children to travel in a car without wearing a seatbelt, deserve considerably more than just a fifteen pound surcharge. As for parking, you are very selfish. If everybody believed as you, where would you park, when you want to park wherever and whenever you want? Seeing as everyone else be be parking wherever they want. Let me ask you, why are there speed limits, why is it illegal to drive whilst using a mobile phone and why is it illegal to ride in a car without wearing a seatbelt?

Sorry Earl if you did not see the tongue firmly in cheek, but my calculation wont be far from wrong very sooner than you and others think.

Again, rubbish! You decided to throw some exaggerated figure into the air thinking it will add weight to your argument, but got caught out.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people,

It actually doesn't. it can be a factor when an accident occurs from using one.

Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well,

it actually doesn't. it could save your life in an accident. but it doesn't mean you are automatically killed from not wearing it.


Not displaying your road tax is serious, and there should be no need to do it now with the technology available.

Originally Posted by Gary L

It actually doesn't. it can be a factor when an accident occurs from using one.

Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ...

In fact, using a mobile phone whilst driving, even handsfree, compromises your reaction time to a greater extent than if you were just slightly over the legal drink-drive limit:



Source: http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ...

I've learned that pedantry is a requirement on here.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people, or do not think that is serious enough? Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well, parents who are stupid enough to allow their children to travel in a car without wearing a seatbelt, deserve considerably more than just a fifteen pound surcharge. As for parking, you are very selfish. If everybody believed as you, where would you park, when you want to park wherever and whenever you want? Seeing as everyone else be be parking wherever they want. Let me ask you, why are there speed limits, why is it illegal to drive whilst using a mobile phone and why is it illegal to ride in a car without wearing a seatbelt?




Again, rubbish! You decided to throw some exaggerated figure into the air thinking it will add weight to your argument, but got caught out.

Because there are speed limits do not mean those imposed speed limits are right, or justified even.
Have you not heard of the 85 percentile rule?
If not come back and I will explain.
Speed is only a very small factor in accidents.
Where would everyone park if they did not have to pay? erm.... where they park now!
No need to buy more land to build car parks, all that changes is people are not charged.
If you're so for the surcharge how do you feel about the victim of domestic violence paying their own compensation?
Lets take this to the rediculous, a person being ticketed could thump the issuer then basically claim their fine back through a claim to the criminal injuries board.
Stealth tax, end of.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ...

In fact, using a mobile phone whilst driving, even handsfree, compromises your reaction time to a greater extent than if you were just slightly over the legal drink-drive limit:

Compromises some peoples reaction times, I heard a radio report just the other day saying the risk for some is a lot less than it is for others and I'd imagine a lot of the "others" shouldn't be on the road at all

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Compromises some peoples reaction times, I heard a radio report just the other day saying the risk for some is a lot less than it is for others and I'd imagine a lot of the "others" shouldn't be on the road at all

Another money spinner for the Government?
All drivers to take a reaction test, and pay £30 for the pleasure.
Those found to have an over average reaction are exempt from the mobile phone ban, those found to have poor reaction are banned from driving for life.
Seems to sort it.

[Flyboy]

I'd go along with that and I volunteer to pay for everyone in our village.