"Rights" of illegal immigrants?

[webcrawler2050]

Originally Posted by Russ

OK I apologise if I read you wrong but saying "they should have no rights whatsoever" makes it look like you're saying they should have no rights whatsoever.

Okay, fair point..

[BBKing]

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

a) what you describe is roughly what happens in the UK, in that illegal immigrants, when found, are usually rounded up, bunged in somewhere like Harmondsworth Detention Centre, then deported. I can't answer for the diet in there, but I doubt it's especially pleasant.
b) except for the lawyers bit, we don't do that yet
c) rounding up lawyers for representing people the state doesn't like is certainly totalitarian, in the sense that it clearly prioritises state power over due legal process
d) the Nazis were certainly totalitarian
e) the accusations of 'Nazi' are therefore not 100% wrong, at least on the lawyers. Sorry about that.

I don't know how to break it to people, but the UK is now notoriously harsh on illegal immigrants. Since this is what you tabloid reading mouth breathers *wanted*, surely you can give the Home Office your support and thanks?

it's the "rounded up and put on a bread and water diet with no rights" i find a tad troublesome it's not the dark ages

I'm getting to the point in this thread where I just have to laugh because it's so preposterous...

[frogstamper]

Maybe we could issue rifles to people living in coastal areas of Britain, then have some sort of lottery to see where you'll be posted on the sea-front.
Then say every fifty people or so maybe a "responsible" person could be issued with a stand-off shore to ship missile, just for those larger targets.
Of course there are those that say we should mine the beaches as well, just to deal with anyone who makes its through the first barrage, personally I think thats a little like overkill, I mean what an earth do they think we have the rifles for??

I expect to see this article in the Littlejohn diatribe any day soon.

[Reedy]

Russ B defending the illegal immigrants .... there's a surprise.

Originally Posted by martyh

it's the "rounded up and put on a bread and water diet with no rights" i find a tad troublesome it's not the dark ages

That's what we'd get if we entered their country illegally. Why not pay the compliment back??

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Originally Posted by Taf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8450657.stm

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

I must be a NAZI than because I agree with you.

The right to live without violence or persecution is basic and should apply to all people's everywhere there is no question about that. Right to enter any country illegally and enjoy all the benefits of it of course should not be allowed and anyone illegal should be deported back to country of origin unless there is a very good reason not too see first part.

While i think we are a little too soft in the UK i would never advocate physical harm to any illegal we come across and they should be treated well for as long as it takes to deport them.

[QUOTE=Nidge;34942772]That's what we'd get if we entered their country illegally. Why not pay the compliment back??



when was the last time a Briton tried to enter a developing african country illegaly to live and work try seeing things from someone elses point of view for a change .It's easy to demand that illegal imigrants should be banged up and fed on bread and water when you live in a nice 3 bed semi ,have electric ,water,gas and all the luxuries .Try looking at things from the perspective of someone who's just had his wife raped and murdered his kids have been murdered no house ,no money ,of course they will try to get into a country like ours ..you would

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[Taf]

Illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers. Big difference.

Originally Posted by Taf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8450657.stm

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

I agree 100% with you view

I also think asylum seekers should be offered a tent to live in afterall if they were in danger in their own country they will be happy. If they kick up a stink then they aint really asymum seekers and should then be rounded up etc

[Taf]

Someone knocks on your door, tells you a sob story about being made homeless/ being attacked/ whatever. You let them in and look after them whilst you check out their story. If it's all true you let them share your house providing they help with the bills and housework. If it's false you kick them out for lying.

You and your family wake one day to find your small house full of people you don't know. They hide or threaten you with violence every time you try to remove them. They've raided your pantry, your fridge, your medicine cupboard. Some are selling drugs and stuff they have stolen from your house to your kids. One of your rooms is being used to make counterfeit goods they keep trying to sell you. You can't get into the bathroom because one of them always seems to be in there. A couple are obviously sick, but won't get medical help, so risk infecting you and your visiting friends and family. They won't help look after the house, and keep all their cash denying you any. Many are drifting in unseen from your neighbours' house, some from accross town. You suspect one of your neighbours or someone else in the town is bringing them into your house for a fee.

Do you let them stay or do you kick them out?

Originally Posted by Taf

Illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers. Big difference.

the only difference is asylum seekers are legal
I agree that we let too many in this country and yes illegals should be deported quickly ,but living in tents? bread and water? anyone with that attitude should be made to go and live like that for a week .It does nothing to solve these problems when people are prepared to treat other unfortunate people like animals

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Reedy

Russ B defending the illegal immigrants .... there's a surprise.

Tell me, what am I defending them from?

Originally Posted by Taf

Someone knocks on your door, tells you a sob story about being made homeless/ being attacked/ whatever. You let them in and look after them whilst you check out their story. If it's all true you let them share your house providing they help with the bills and housework. If it's false you kick them out for lying.

You and your family wake one day to find your small house full of people you don't know. They hide or threaten you with violence every time you try to remove them. They've raided your pantry, your fridge, your medicine cupboard. Some are selling drugs and stuff they have stolen from your house to your kids. One of your rooms is being used to make counterfeit goods they keep trying to sell you. You can't get into the bathroom because one of them always seems to be in there. A couple are obviously sick, but won't get medical help, so risk infecting you and your visiting friends and family. They won't help look after the house, and keep all their cash denying you any. Many are drifting in unseen from your neighbours' house, some from accross town. You suspect one of your neighbours or someone else in the town is bringing them into your house for a fee.

Do you let them stay or do you kick them out?

are you really expecting anyone to take you serious