Football : Season 2009/2010

[TheDaddy]

Juan Sebastian Veron has been linked with a shock £7million move to Manchester City.
Full story: Daily Mail

Do they know how old he is now? 34 year olds don't go for 7 mil especially when they have already failed spectacularly twice in this country.

This article in The Guardian for me just about sums up the underlying problems at United....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...chester-united


The team of 4 or 5 seasons ago United would have ripped Leeds apart.
Berbatov has not lived up to expectations, Rooney looks lost up front on his own, I could go on..........

Time for the Glazers to go methinks, all the profit United make to serve the Glazers debt is now taking its toll on the club

Originally Posted by sherer

the bigger problem is the fact Platini is planning to stop clubs in debt from entering the Champions League. That was the story behind the Chelsea accounts released last week that said the club wasn't in debt.

Well Arsenal are technically in debt. I think it's that the playing side needs to balance, basically the club's finances are stable and balanced. I think it's more to stop teams like Man City spending money to win trophies where all that investment is from external sources.

I.E If Chelsea or Man City lost their rich benefactors they would be screwed because by themselves they are losing millions and millions.

Originally Posted by yesman

This article in The Guardian for me just about sums up the underlying problems at United....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...chester-united


The team of 4 or 5 seasons ago United would have ripped Leeds apart.
Berbatov has not lived up to expectations, Rooney looks lost up front on his own, I could go on..........

Time for the Glazers to go methinks, all the profit United make to serve the Glazers debt is now taking its toll on the club

and this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/davi...d-glazers-debt

The debt does seem to be becoming a issue which can no longer be ignored.

[sherer]

i've said it before we have too many mediocre players in the squad and with the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez these are the players we have to rely on more and more this season. We now have no wingers at the club at all

if the top four weren't so far ahead of the rest we would be in serious trouble.

None of the new players coming through are good enough. Rafael and Fabio may be good at going forwards but if they are defenders then their primary ability should be defending something they can't do.

Gibson, Wellbeck, Macheda and Tosic aren't good enough.

Add in Nani, Park, Valencia, JOS and Anderson and an aging Giggs , Scholes and Neville and things don't look very good at all.

[Russ]

And let's not forget the £30m rated donkey.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by sherer

i've said it before we have too many mediocre players in the squad and with the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez these are the players we have to rely on more and more this season. We now have no wingers at the club at all

To be honest, I wasn't upset about Tevez going at all. A lot of running around, but no end result. Berbatov's goal per game ratio was better than Tevez, but that was ignored.

Originally Posted by sherer

Gibson, Wellbeck, Macheda and Tosic aren't good enough

To be fair to Tosic, we have only seen him play twice, both as a sub, so it's a bit too soon to say he is a flop. Both of those times, he looked promising but needs a proper chance to impress.

[Matty_]

Originally Posted by Russ

And let's not forget the £30m rated donkey.

Admit it Russ you him really!

IMO United are lacking impact players, there has for the last decade or so allways been players sat on the bench who would stroll into most other premiership teams. These would come on and the game would change, plus the 10 outfield players knew if there game wasn`t up to scratch they would be hauled off and probably dropped for a few games.
But Man U are still up there challenging for the title, so it`s not exactly a complete crisis like at Liverpool

Originally Posted by Matty_

Admit it Russ you him really!

IMO United are lacking impact players, there has for the last decade or so allways been players sat on the bench who would stroll into most other premiership teams. These would come on and the game would change, plus the 10 outfield players knew if there game wasn`t up to scratch they would be hauled off and probably dropped for a few games.
But Man U are still up there challenging for the title, so it`s not exactly a complete crisis like at Liverpool

No Liverpool are very funny United are not in crisis by any means but the makings of a crisis are brewing and no one is doing anything about it. The debt has the potential to cripple the club seriously if they were to lose out on the top 4 (which they won't, at the moment).

SAF will leave at the board will choose to act upon the debt at the same time as his replacement. The replacement will have no funds and he will get the blame.

As for the team SAF will just need to do with what he has got.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by sherer

None of the new players coming through are good enough. Rafael and Fabio may be good at going forwards but if they are defenders then their primary ability should be defending something they can't do.

Gibson, Wellbeck, Macheda and Tosic aren't good enough.

Add in Nani, Park, Valencia, JOS and Anderson and an aging Giggs , Scholes and Neville and things don't look very good at all.

You've just listed the players that won the carling cup last season and have got us to the semi-finals this year, they are far better than most teams reserve/squad players.

Originally Posted by Damien

No Liverpool are very funny United are not in crisis by any means but the makings of a crisis are brewing and no one is doing anything about it. The debt has the potential to cripple the club seriously if they were to lose out on the top 4 (which they won't, at the moment).

SAF will leave at the board will choose to act upon the debt at the same time as his replacement. The replacement will have no funds and he will get the blame.

As for the team SAF will just need to do with what he has got.

Ferguson hasn't got the club in debt. Since the Glazers took over he has a net spend of £4.6million per season, that is not a lot for one of the biggest clubs in the world, who have won multiple trophies in that time. The only reason for the debt is the Glazers, the sooner an arab/asian billionaire comes and buys the club the better.

[Cobbydaler]

Talking about financial matters, City have posted a huge loss of £92.6m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8443316.stm

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Ferguson hasn't got the club in debt. Since the Glazers took over he has a net spend of £4.6million per season, that is not a lot for one of the biggest clubs in the world, who have won multiple trophies in that time. The only reason for the debt is the Glazers, the sooner an arab/asian billionaire comes and buys the club the better.

The Glazers are to blame but Ferguson has had a habit, especially in the last decade, of big signings to replace problem areas in his team. Now he and United need to adapt. If this were 3/4 years ago there would have been a handful of signings to fix the awkward positions in the team. He would have brought players like Ribery last summer for example.

The fans and manager seem to have become used to star buys for their problems. SAF will need to make cheaper, smarter buys and use his current team as best he can. Man City, Real Madrid and Chelsea have greatly distorted the market and priced United out of the best established players.

The net spend is a skewed point. He didn't have a lot of money to create his first winning team, most of his spending was for the subsequent teams.

He still has had a a good amount of investment in this current team. Now the board won't allow him to continue spending to correct some of those problems (Berbatov anyone?). He'll have to deal with it. Part of a good manager is the ability to operate with limited funds. Ask Wenger or Martin O'Neill. Both have created strong sides without stupid amounts of investment. We know SAF can do it, he's done it before.

All of which needs to be balanced by the fact that United are still 2nd in the league and are in the Champions League. It's not as if they are Liverpool. All of this crisis talk is because they lost one game to Leeds. Hardly a crisis. Football is 11 men vs 11 men. No one in the game is super-human, you can still lose. Madrid lost to a team 2 divisions below them late last year by 3/4 goals! That's football.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Talking about financial matters, City have posted a huge loss of £92.6m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8443316.stm

A loss and having debt is two different things.. Plus that although the operating costs developed a loss you still have the assets of the players to off-set it on the books

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well Arsenal are technically in debt. I think it's that the playing side needs to balance, basically the club's finances are stable and balanced. I think it's more to stop teams like Man City spending money to win trophies where all that investment is from external sources.

I.E If Chelsea or Man City lost their rich benefactors they would be screwed because by themselves they are losing millions and millions.

Basically they have tried to keep their little Champions League club exclusive, it's alright to have £300 million bank loans to blow on players like Real Madrid but you can't have a rich owner do the same for you anymore.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

A loss and having debt is two different things.. Plus that although the operating costs developed a loss you still have the assets of the players to off-set it on the books

The players are not worth what Hughes spent on them. Man City don't have debt though, it's just masses of money from it's owners.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Basically they have tried to keep their little Champions League club exclusive, it's alright to have £300 million bank loans to blow on players like Real Madrid but you can't have a rich owner do the same for you anymore.

Bank Loans catch up with you eventually and need to be paid back, Look at Liverpool. Rich owners just create a situation where the money is written off in order to win titles for respect/glory/promotion of your city. Uefa's proposed rules are designed to stop that. It's a conspiracy either, Chelsea would have been affected.