Hit-and-run death crash asylum seeker can stay in UK

[Zee]

what he did was wrong, but why would anyone hope the same happens to him. you're just as bad as him if you think that.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Zee

what he did was wrong, but why would anyone hope the same happens to him. you're just as bad as him if you think that.

I just think that he should not be in this country, and if that entails him being left in the middle of the channel with a rubber ring then so be it.

[punky]

I thought EU citizens couldn't be deported from another EU country? You can be refused entry like Geert Wilders was but not deported.

So all this talk about deporting Brits from Spain is moot isn't it?

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Russ

Why?

Is there any reason to assume or believe that crimes commited by foreigners in the UK are more serious than Brits abroad?

I said 'It would be interesting to know', I did not assume or say. If details were made available the facts would be clear for all to see.

I am just aware of the number of cases reported in this country where the criminal appears to be foreign or from a family with background from another country.

Even a look at this months Crimewatch most wanted pictures appear to show a trend. There are 8 criminals listed and only 2 of them are white, perhaps the BBC is being racist. I guess there could be some truth in that old BBC joke... 'The BBC have been told to balance the ratio of ethnic to white appearances, so they will now be showing Crimewatch twice a week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/wanted/index.shtm

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Originally Posted by sollp

Is that so you can get satisfaction by saying Brit's living abroad commits crimes, so when people come to live in this country and do the same, somehow that rights a wrong?? Do you and others who peddle the same line get satisfaction knowing this but not actually helping the situation in either country?

I don't quite understand your logic!

I said in my post that I agreed that Brits should be deported for committing crimes in another country. These people should serve their sentence in their home country, I disagree with serving sentences first and then being deported.

Although I understand how it would be a problem with many corrupt countries, because it could not be guaranteed the country would indeed make them serve their sentence. My method would be to do whatever is necessary that a foreigner committing a serious crime is never allowed entry to this country again. If other countries want to follow the same rules against british criminals that's fine with me.

Originally Posted by punky

I thought EU citizens couldn't be deported from another EU country? You can be refused entry like Geert Wilders was but not deported.

So all this talk about deporting Brits from Spain is moot isn't it?

Q&A: EU law on deportation

there are two exceptions.

Firstly, the host country can deport them to their country of origin after 90 days if they do not have a job, sickness insurance or the means to support themselves (and if they have no family member in the host country capable of supporting them). This is to prevent people becoming a burden on the host country's social safety net.

Secondly, they can be deported if they present a threat to public order, public security or public health. They must, however, have an opportunity to appeal, and must be given a month to leave, except in emergencies.

and

If they have lived in a country for more than 10 years they can only be deported in exceptional circumstances.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Absolutely. He is abusing the hospitality of that country and should be immediately deported here, if that country elects to follow that course of action. Same should apply anywhere. Unless you're a citizen of a country you should absolutely be sent back to whence you came if you abuse its' hospitality.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I said 'It would be interesting to know', I did not assume or say. If details were made available the facts would be clear for all to see.

But why would it be 'interesting to know'?

Originally Posted by Escapee

I am just aware of the number of cases reported in this country where the criminal appears to be foreign or from a family with background from another country.

Are you also aware of the number of cases reported where the criminal appears to be British? Or White? Or in the country completely legally and working/studying?

Originally Posted by Escapee

Even a look at this months Crimewatch most wanted pictures appear to show a trend. There are 8 criminals listed and only 2 of them are white, perhaps the BBC is being racist

Do you mean 'white' or 'British'?

[Sirius]

This is the type of incident however that will give the Bnp more and more votes

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I said 'It would be interesting to know', I did not assume or say. If details were made available the facts would be clear for all to see.

I am just aware of the number of cases reported in this country where the criminal appears to be foreign or from a family with background from another country.

Even a look at this months Crimewatch most wanted pictures appear to show a trend. There are 8 criminals listed and only 2 of them are white, perhaps the BBC is being racist. I guess there could be some truth in that old BBC joke... 'The BBC have been told to balance the ratio of ethnic to white appearances, so they will now be showing Crimewatch twice a week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/wanted/index.shtm

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I don't quite understand your logic!

I said in my post that I agreed that Brits should be deported for committing crimes in another country. These people should serve their sentence in their home country, I disagree with serving sentences first and then being deported.

Although I understand how it would be a problem with many corrupt countries, because it could not be guaranteed the country would indeed make them serve their sentence. My method would be to do whatever is necessary that a foreigner committing a serious crime is never allowed entry to this country again. If other countries want to follow the same rules against british criminals that's fine with me.

My,"Logic" is why nearly every time when this subject is bought up, do i hear the same response at some point, what difference does it make what Brits do in other countries. It's for the country they reside in to deal with that problem, dosen't affect or justify or whatever happens over here.

And as for the BBC be racist because of what you say happens on Crimewatch is absolute rubbish, if the crime has been commited by a Black person, should they put a white person in its place for the photo fit just to balance it out!
You watch Road wars,street crime uk ect and you will see very few black people if at all, are these programme makers ever going to be accused of criminalizing white people??

[Taf]

If you come her and claim asylum, one would expect you to be extremely grateful and abide by the laws, rules and customs of the country.

If not, then get out!!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Taf

If you come her and claim asylum, one would expect you to be extremely grateful and abide by the laws, rules and customs of the country.

If not, then get out!!

You assume that being permitted to stay here is the privilege it should be. It would appear to be considered a right, and regrettably in this case the law agrees.

Quite a sad state of affairs, no politician will do too much to address it though for fear of losing their vote. It's a common situation, happens a lot in Canada too.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Russ

But why would it be 'interesting to know'?



Are you also aware of the number of cases reported where the criminal appears to be British? Or White? Or in the country completely legally and working/studying?



Do you mean 'white' or 'British'?

It is very difficult to answer the points that you have carefully extracted, my broad view is that we have:

Foreign criminals, those that enter the country either illegally as asylum seekers or illegal immigrants and commit crimes. I also include in this group those that have obtained a visa to legally visit this country, and those coming here from countries that do not require a visa.

British criminals I split into groups, there are the british criminals that are born here and there are the british criminals that are of foreign descent who have been granted british citizenship.

For me there is another group, and those are second/third generation british that are born to UK citizens. Reports of foreign looking british citizens often state that they may have fled overseas to country x where they have family ties.

Why would I find it interesting to know about foreigners committing crime? Well, I believe the facts should be reported and not withheld for any politically correct reasons.

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Originally Posted by sollp

My,"Logic" is why nearly every time when this subject is bought up, do i hear the same response at some point, what difference does it make what Brits do in other countries. It's for the country they reside in to deal with that problem, dosen't affect or justify or whatever happens over here.

And as for the BBC be racist because of what you say happens on Crimewatch is absolute rubbish, if the crime has been commited by a Black person, should they put a white person in its place for the photo fit just to balance it out!
You watch Road wars,street crime uk ect and you will see very few black people if at all, are these programme makers ever going to be accused of criminalizing white people??

I still don't understand your logic. I for example am not worried about how my neighbours are going to pay their gas bill, I am more concerned with paying my own. Perhaps that is how we differ ?

The UK has a legal system to deal with criminals, Spain has a legal system to deal with criminals. As a UK citizen my concerns are that the UK legal system deals adequately to protect citizens of the UK, how the Spanish legal system deals with criminals has no direct impact on myself or other UK citizens.

Although I watch very little TV, I would expect the reason why you see very few Black people on Road wars is because vehicle crime has been traditionally a white crime involving police chases. These people are on a joyride and get a buzz from being chased by the police, whereas foreign criminals stealing cars to strip for parts or export are careful not to draw attention to themselves.

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Escapee

It is very difficult to answer the points that you have carefully extracted, my broad view is that we have:

Foreign criminals, those that enter the country either illegally as asylum seekers or illegal immigrants and commit crimes. I also include in this group those that have obtained a visa to legally visit this country, and those coming here from countries that do not require a visa.

British criminals I split into groups, there are the british criminals that are born here and there are the british criminals that are of foreign descent who have been granted british citizenship.

For me there is another group, and those are second/third generation british that are born to UK citizens. Reports of foreign looking british citizens often state that they may have fled overseas to country x where they have family ties.

Why would I find it interesting to know about foreigners committing crime? Well, I believe the facts should be reported and not withheld for any politically correct reasons.

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I still don't understand your logic. I for example am not worried about how my neighbours are going to pay their gas bill, I am more concerned with paying my own. Perhaps that is how we differ ?

The UK has a legal system to deal with criminals, Spain has a legal system to deal with criminals. As a UK citizen my concerns are that the UK legal system deals adequately to protect citizens of the UK, how the Spanish legal system deals with criminals has no direct impact on myself or other UK citizens.

Although I watch very little TV, I would expect the reason why you see very few Black people on Road wars is because vehicle crime has been traditionally a white crime involving police chases. These people are on a joyride and get a buzz from being chased by the police, whereas foreign criminals stealing cars to strip for parts or export are careful not to draw attention to themselves.

Sorry Escapee i quoted yourself instead of Foreverwar, so thats why my logic wasn't LOGICAL.