Anger After British Man Executed In China - Page 2

Peter_ · 29-12-2009, 13:59

He was caught carrying 4 kilo's of drugs and was prosecuted and found guilty under Chines law and was sentenced to be shot under their laws.

Why should we complain about justice being seen to done, or is it because we have got to lenient and nowadays we would be more likely to give someone like this a slap on the wrist rather than an adequate sentence for the crime committed.

We need to look inwards at our own inadequacies with regards to crime and sentencing people before passing comment on other countries who uphold their laws and sentence the offenders accordingly.

webcrawler2050 · 29-12-2009, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Moldova

He was caught carrying 4 kilo's of drugs and was prosecuted and found guilty under Chines law and was sentenced to be shot under their laws.

Why should we complain about justice being seen to done, or is it because we have got to lenient and nowadays we would be more likely to give someone like this a slap on the wrist rather than an adequate sentence for the crime committed.

We need to look inwards at our own inadequacies with regards to crime and sentencing people before passing comment on other countries who uphold their laws and sentence the offenders accordingly.

It's because our government has turned "us" Brits, into a bunch of whinning moaning, gawd knows what. All we do is moan, it's what we are good at.

nomadking · 29-12-2009, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Rob M

I can think of a country not a million miles from here which is currently in the process of extraditing a man who has been shown to be medically ill, to a country that is claiming highly overinflated damages for the crimes he allegedly committed, and which will most likely throw him in jail to rot for a large part of his remaining adult life.

China have followed their own legal process and, whether we like it or not, they have found this man guilty of a crime, sentanced him according to that process, and then carried out the sentance.

Shown how exactly? Using X-rays?

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The Chinese Embassy said Mr Shaikh had no previous record of mental illness.

As in the case you are obviously referring to, the alleged diagnosis happened after being caught.

Just because a maximum sentence can be a long period, doesn't mean that the actual sentence will be anything like that. 'Misconduct in public office' offence in this country carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. Has anyone convicted of that 'crime' received anything like that long a sentence.

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It should always be remembered that it is a very serious, indictable only offence carrying a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

29-12-2009, 14:30

I'll not be shedding any tears for this fool....

Sirius · 29-12-2009, 14:32

I think the saying "Drugs will kill you" can in some circumstances work both ways. If you deal in drugs you should be willing to take the punishment.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 29-12-2009, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I'll not be shedding any tears for this fool....

Great Mr T impersonation.

Jules · 29-12-2009, 14:44

He knew what he was doing and took the risk and has now paid the price, should that price have been execution? I really don't know but that is the law in that country and I am sure he knew that before he went.

papa smurf · 29-12-2009, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Jules

He knew what he was doing and took the risk and has now paid the price, should that price have been execution? I really don't know but that is the law in that country and I am sure he knew that before he went.

what is a just punishment for a peddler of death ?

Jules · 29-12-2009, 14:51

As I said I don't know, I am not saying execution is wrong or right. What I do know is that mentally ill or not he knew what he was doing and as such he was punished by the laws of the country which he committed his crime in.

Peter_ · 29-12-2009, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Jules

As I said I don't know, I am not saying execution is wrong or right. What I do know is that mentally ill or not he knew what he was doing and as such he was punished by the laws of the country which he committed his crime in.

He was prosecuted under Chinese law and sentenced according to their laws so we cannot say that another country is wrong because their laws differ from ours in many ways.

If you do a crime in another country do not expect to be treated in the same way that the UK would treat such a crime and ignorance is no defence in law regardless of whatever country you are travelling to, if it is illegal in this country then assume that it is also illegal in that country.

nomadking · 29-12-2009, 15:02

He would have almost certainly found guilty in this country and the 'alleged'(and convenient) mental condition wouldn't have been taken into account, so why all the fuss?

**Chris** · 29-12-2009, 15:06

On the contrary, if there was any suspicion of a mental health issue it would have been thoroughly investigated and if necessary, taken into account at the relevant point (whether that be while assessing culpability, or in sentencing).

And, as the UK has the advantage of not killing people who are convicted of crimes, if for some reason the possibility of mental health issues only came to light after a conviction, there's always the possibility of an appeal in order to clear things up. An avenue not available to this man or any of the others sent to their deaths by oppressive regimes like China and Texas.

Escapee · 29-12-2009, 15:16

I shed no tears for him, he was caught taking drugs into a country where the penalty is death.

I find it all very odd, his family is painting a picture of a vulnerable person not responsible for his actions. This does not add up if he was able to travel to China on his own, surely they would have stopped him if they had concerns.

Jules · 29-12-2009, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Moldova

He was prosecuted under Chinese law and sentenced according to their laws so we cannot say that another country is wrong because their laws differ from ours in many ways.

If you do a crime in another country do not expect to be treated in the same way that the UK would treat such a crime and ignorance is no defence in law regardless of whatever country you are travelling to, if it is illegal in this country then assume that it is also illegal in that country.

I agree totally maybe I just worded it wrong in my post.

Hom3r · 29-12-2009, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I shed no tears for him, he was caught taking drugs into a country where the penalty is death.

I find it all very odd, his family is painting a picture of a vulnerable person not responsible for his actions. This does not add up if he was able to travel to China on his own, surely they would have stopped him if they had concerns.

How would they know?

I could get up now and leave and tomorrow phone my family from anywhere in the world and not told them in advance.