£6 billion to buy climate change deal

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Can I add another option to your list ?

d). Shoot the current generation of politicians as crooks and idiots, and then make a government and society based on truely democratic principles. Give the British people a Bill of Rights and written Constitution (similar to the ones America has), and then actually ensure that the politicians and government work to improve and protect the lives of citizens. Rather than pander to industry/market forces/institutionalised greed, corruption and incompitence.

I'm sorry but that was considered so far removed from reality that if any one suggested anything along those lines they are to be instantly comitted to the nearest asylum for the rest of their natural

Originally Posted by martyh

I'm sorry but that was considered so far removed from reality that if any one suggested anything along those lines they are to be instantly comitted to the nearest asylum for the rest of their natural

So I should go grab my back-to-front coat then ?

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

So I should go grab my back-to-front coat then ?

the lads will be round in 10

Originally Posted by martyh

the lads will be round in 10

Too late by then. I'll be cammed up and hiding in the dark by then.

Has anyone ever considered that no matter what we do the planet is going to do it's own thing anyway?

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Too late by then. I'll be cammed up and hiding in the dark by then.

ah well you see Mr G Brown has that one covered ...because of his intelligence and foresight he made it legal for council officials to rummage through your bins looking for recyclable rubbish in the wrong bin and if found (and i'm sure there will be some )they have the power to burst into your home on trumped up terrorist charges and shoot you ...so there






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[danielf]

Originally Posted by martyh

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That's a nice bit of spam you've got there

Originally Posted by danielf

That's a nice bit of spam you've got there

can't stand the stuff much prefer corned beef

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by martyh

the problem i see with solar is a it's not that efficient and b it's no good in places like britain .We would still be held over a barrel by countries that it does work in

Earl of Bronze has got the right idea ,massive investment in nuclear fusion ,this would give us self sufficiency

Not quite mate. Solar power is efficient, in fact it can be extremely efficient. Its merely the photo-voltaic cells which convert blue light into electric voltage, which are inefficient. Usually only a few percent. Stirling engines have been used successfully for solar power, and they are the most efficient engines ever devised by man (65+% efficiency).

On the subject of nuclear fusion, I worked as a fusion engineer/scientist for 5 years on the largest experiment fusion reactor and project in the world. No kidding.
Fusion power is nowhere in sight, probably 70 years before a working powerstation can be realised. The technical difficulties are insurmountable, and is just a money pit for the taxpayer, which is why I now design chemical plants for a living

I would really like to see fusion nuclear power, as the abundance of deuterium would supply us with all the power we needed for centuries, potentially. However, the technology just isn't here. The temperatures we were seeing in our prototype toroidal field torus reactor were in the region of in excess of 100 million deg C. Nothing on earth will withstand it (the reactor could only run for a few seconds at a time), and high energy neutrons constantly permeate the structural components, wearing them down and causing dangerous imbrittlement. Man cannot harness gravity, therefore cannot defend against neutral (neutron) high energy particles. The neutrons keep going until they hit something, and if they hit the right atom at the right angle, the atom will become an unstable isotope, creating serious difficulties for disposal, as it then becomes radioactive waste.
This is what's killing fusion.

If interested, we can discuss in much greater detail - in fact to ad nauseum if you wish.

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Here's a link to a stirling engine solar power array:
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/victorville/

Worth a read, but there is much more to read, a quick Google with bring up enough to keep you busy for a while.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Not quite mate. Solar power is efficient, in fact it can be extremely efficient. Its merely the photo-voltaic cells which convert blue light into electric voltage, which are inefficient. Usually only a few percent. Stirling engines have been used successfully for solar power, and they are the most efficient engines ever devised by man (65+% efficiency).

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still aint gonna work in this country though is it

[danielf]

Originally Posted by martyh

still aint gonna work in this country though is it

It will if you harvest it in space (24/7) and beam it down to earth.

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by martyh

still aint gonna work in this country though is it

No, but then neither is fusion power any time soon.
Though, it shouldn't have to. If humans could just get along with one another, the solar power generating countries could supply us with all the hydrogen we would ever need (hydrogen could be produced from on-site electrolysers). Perhaps by then, fresh water will be in such demand that we could trade water for hydrogen or something along those lines?

Originally Posted by danielf

It will if you harvest it in space (24/7) and beam it down to earth.

WHAAAT and put more holes in ozone layer are you mad man


no seriously, both those technologies are decades away possibly even centuries we need some practicle ideas now and the funding to go with it

Originally Posted by danielf

It will if you harvest it in space (24/7) and beam it down to earth.

On the downside. Considering there is no replacement for the Space Shuttle, and the lead-time required to design and build a replacement, you're prolly look 10 - 15 years before anything is available to take the bits into orbit where they would need to be bolted together. The add in all the ground based hardware needed to control the orbital mirrors, and some sort of groundbased receiver to capture the reflected sunlight....

Sparkle.... Surely the reactor only needs to maintain the 150 million degree temperature to start the fusion reaction ? Unless I picked up the info wrong ofc....

Originally Posted by Sparkle

No, but then neither is fusion power any time soon.
Though, it shouldn't have to. If humans could just get along with one another, the solar power generating countries could supply us with all the hydrogen we would ever need (hydrogen could be produced from on-site electrolysers). Perhaps by then, fresh water will be in such demand that we could trade water for hydrogen or something along those lines?

something like that would work ..but come on ..countries working together ,if that happened ALL the world problems would be solved

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Originally Posted by martyh

agreed ,i was just under the misguided impression that our glorious leaders actually had a clue


anywho ..what happens if our leaders don't reach an agreement , will they

a) stay and sacrifice their Christmas to reach an agreement for the betterment of mankind because they are so committed to the cause as stated by Brown and Obamah repeatedly on sky news

b)go back to their respective countries think long and hard and return next year with the solution

c)forget it and just have a big shindig on the tax payer and think of more "conferences" that can cost us millions

answers on a self addressed envelope to mr G Brown 10 Downing street

and the winner is c " He added that Germany would host a new conference on climate change in six months in Bonn to follow up the work of the Copenhagen summit. "


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...315503405?f=vg