Drink binge mother left children - Page 2

Osem · 17-11-2009, 11:17

As the very actively involved full time father of 2 children, I don't doubt the stresses involved with trying to bring up 4 alone but at what point do the interests of the children have to supercede any pity or sympathy we may have for the mother in this case? Nobody really forces anyone to become pregnant once, let alone 4 times, and surely, as adults having presumably made that choice, we must take responsibility for our actions or accept that the state has to intervene when we can't fulfil our obligations to our children. I don't doubt that there are a great many people, who through no fault of their own, find themselves unable to cope and consequently fail their children in some form or other but I also feel there are rather too many parents out there who didn't much consider coping and the realities of parenthood before they chose to have their children. Given all the information readily available to people these days I'm not sure much more can be done about this latter group and sadly therefore, cases such as this will always happen.

Gary L · 17-11-2009, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Russ

And so speaks the voice of experience.

She's proven she has a major problem and until she proves she's making progress I don't see her as being fit enough to be in charge of children.

Being in charge of them and having supervised access are 2 different things.

Pierre · 17-11-2009, 11:18

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Originally Posted by punky

So, irresponsible scrotes like Stephenson who have 4 children (probably by 3/4 dads) by the age of 22 that she can't look after - nor even seems to care about looking after - and the apologists like you cut no ice with me.

Make that man PM.

Russ · 17-11-2009, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Being in charge of them and having supervised access are 2 different things.

(sigh)

Read my post again. I said she should not have unsupervised access. As the adult that would make her in charge of them.

moaningmags · 17-11-2009, 11:25

As someone who had 4 kids by the age of 24, I never felt the urge to leave my children on their own so that I could go out drinking, and certainly not a chance that I'd consider it with a 3 month old.

Selfish and irresponsible barely covers her actions.

Gary L · 17-11-2009, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Russ

(sigh)

Read my post again. I said she should not have unsupervised access. As the adult that would make her in charge of them.

She didn't beat the kids or sexually abuse them. unsupervised access won't necessarily mean they won't get fed for the few hours she has them for.

Russ · 17-11-2009, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Gary L

She didn't beat the kids or sexually abuse them. unsupervised access won't necessarily mean they won't get fed for the few hours she has them for.

Seriously, some of the time I think you're just trying to wind me up.

As parents we demonstrate we have the responsibility to be able to look after our children. During school holidays and weekends I get totally unsupervised access to my daughter because I've demonstrated I'm responsible enough to look after her and see to her needs.

This woman has shown she's not capable of seeing to her children's needs. When the pressure got too much, she went out on a 25 hour bender.

What's to say she wouldn't do the same during further unsupervised access?

Disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me won't work in this case. She's proven she's untrustworthy with her children on her own.

Gary L · 17-11-2009, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Russ

Seriously, some of the time I think you're just trying to wind me up.

Disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me won't work in this case.

Did the McCann's get unsupervised access to their other children? should they have had supervised access even?

Flyboy · 17-11-2009, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Gary L

So she neglected them for 25 hours, and was found 37 hours after by one of the fathers.
the sad thing about it is knowing that the children were hungry, and she got away with it.

Just to correct you on the maths here and in the interests of accuracy.

They were left alone from approximately 22:30 (assuming she stayed in drinking and taking drugs for about an hour) until 10:00 the next day, when the the children's step-grandfather found them. So, they were alone for eleven and a half hours. There was no mention of any of the children's fathers being involved.

Although, that does not pardon the fact that she left her children for the whole day and night, not caring if they were safe, fed, or watered during that time.

Gary L · 17-11-2009, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Just to correct you on the maths here and in the interests of accuracy.

They were left alone from approximately 22:30 (assuming she stayed in drinking and taking drugs for about an hour) until 10:00 the next day, when the the children's step-grandfather found them. So, they were alone for eleven and a half hours. There was no mention of any of the children's fathers being involved.

24 hour clock.

if you can manage to do the math wrong on something this simple, then I can say there's a very good chance that you are wrong on the other math fact you made. and who's to say I didn't mean one of her fathers?

Russ · 17-11-2009, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Did the McCann's get unsupervised access to their other children? should they have had supervised access even?

As far as I'm aware they cannot be held accountable in a UK court for what happens in Portugal.

Pog66 · 17-11-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L

24 hour clock.

if you can manage to do the math wrong on something this simple, then I can say there's a very good chance that you are wrong on the other math fact you made. and who's to say I didn't mean one of her fathers?

Actually I think you'll find
Day 1 22:30 approx she leaves the house
Day 2 10:00 they are found by her step-father
Day 2 22:30 she returns to her house

Kids were alone 11.5 hours, she left them 24 hours

Why the obsession with equating this to the McCann's - is their a point being made on class here?

Surely a whole heap of differance between the two cases - except this girl got lucky and nothing untoward happenned to her kids.

..and for the record - yes I have kids and would not have left them a) to go on a 24 bender or b) to eat tapas with my friends on holiday.

Gary L · 17-11-2009, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Pog66

Actually I think you'll find
Day 1 22:30 approx she leaves the house
Day 2 10:00 they are found by her step-father
Day 2 22:30 she returns to her house

Kids were alone 11.5 hours, she left them 24 hours

I stand corrected.

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Why the obsession with equating this to the McCann's - is their a point being made on class here?

There's no obsession. and no point on class.

Flyboy · 17-11-2009, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Gary L

24 hour clock.

if you can manage to do the math wrong on something this simple, then I can say there's a very good chance that you are wrong on the other math fact you made. and who's to say I didn't mean one of her fathers?

I think you need to review your understanding of the twenty-four hour clock.

Fingy · 17-11-2009, 19:40

The thing that really gets me about this is that I am being hounded by my health visitor as my nearly 16 month old isn't 'complying' to commands like putting stuff in the bin and doesn't have very many words yet and being made to feel like I am failing as a parent?!?

As to the post about leaving your kids... all kids wind you up from time to time, it is very simple to put them somewhere safe, in their cot for instance, and go outside for 5 minutes to calm down, totally leaving is a different story altogether!