[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by SMG

People who find themselves unable to voice their opinions, because of the fear of being branded "Racist" will use the ballot box instead. The main parties have consistently failed to address the problem. Hence the increase in BNP votes.

You miss my point. Why would people who are genuinely not racist vote for people who are? Or is it simply a matter of protest vote?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I watched this prog, and to me it was a hatchet job on Griffin, and lets put it this way, the BNP will get bigger, not from my vote though, but you have to agree with some of what he has been saying. Most of the panel were throwing daggers at him, he has a legal party and entitled to say what he has to say, like all the other parties, who say a load of crap.

This country HAS to close the door on people coming into this country, We have alway say to immagrants 'come on in, everthing is free' It made me laugh when one of female pannelist said 'people can come into this country to help the enconomy' l don't know what planet she was on, most of the people that come into the country, go straight onto the benefit system, and we pay that.

[Hom3r]

My cousin posted this on facebook, I had to share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvk...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I watched this prog, and to me it was a hatchet job on Griffin, and lets put it this way, the BNP will get bigger, not from my vote though, but you have to agree with some of what he has been saying. Most of the panel were throwing daggers at him, he has a legal party and entitled to say what he has to say, like all the other parties, who say a load of crap.

This country HAS to close the door on people coming into this country, We have alway say to immagrants 'come on in, everthing is free' It made me laugh when one of female pannelist said 'people can come into this country to help the enconomy' l don't know what planet she was on, most of the people that come into the country, go straight onto the benefit system, and we pay that.

Arthur, you may find this research article from University College London of interest - it states

the study finds that A8 immigrants are about 60% less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and to live in social housing. Even if A8 immigrants had the same demographic characteristics of natives, they would still be 13% less likely to receive benefits and 28% less likely to live in social housing

and

The key results are that in each fiscal year since enlargement in 2004, A8 immigrants made a positive contribution to public finance (see Table 2). For instance, in the latest fiscal year, 2008-09, A8 immigrants paid 37% more in direct or indirect taxes than they received in public goods and services. This is even more remarkable because the UK has been running a budget deficit over the last years. In contrast, in 2008-09 UK born individuals contributed to the Exchequer 20% less than they received in terms of public goods and services.

Please bear in mind this is not produced by a political party or a pressure group, but by academic researchers.

No one is disputing that we need to have an open and frank debate on immigration but voting for the bnp is not the way to get that and never was. They are not interested in the fears of the everyday person they are ignorant scared insecure little people who play on people's fears but care as much about them as any other politician. Anyone who thinks that the UK would be perfectly fine under bnp rule is deluding themself because their hatred doesn't just stop at non whites it is in many other areas as well and would affect nearly everyone in this country.

Immigration is a grown up issue and needs a debate by sensible people with sensible solutions we don't need to bring the angst ridden teenagers of politics into it with their me me me attitude and completely unrealistic policys and ideas. As a protest vote in mid term elections or even euro elections i can understand people voting for the bnp but in a general election we have to use our brains and our common sense a little more or we may just look back on the politicians we have now with fond memories in years to come.

[rashlan]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Arthur, you may find this research article from University College London of interest - it states
and


Please bear in mind this is not produced by a political party or a pressure group, but by academic researchers.

Yes but that is only about EU immigrants from European countries.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Foreverwar, thanks for that, BUT you must appreciate that the UK is bursting at the seams, and we MUST now close the door on anymore people coming into this country BOTH main parties will always say that
'any immagrants that come into this country will only benefit the economy of this country' which is total nonsense. It is true, that Britain is no longer British, you cannot do anything or say anything without offending people, and this great country of ours has a freedom of speech, sadly you cannot do that anymore.

It is not true that Britain is no longer British, as 92% of the population are classified as "White British".

Oh no, we are outnumbered 1 to 9!

[Peter_]

If you are born in England why do we have to put White British instead of White English.

Arthur not every immigrasnt into the UK is detrimental to us fgs look at the number of immigrants that keep the nhs going or any number of other areas where immigrants are happy to do work most people born here won't do. It really isn't as simple as to "shut the door" no matter how many times someone says it is and while immigration is at the minute a complete mess being used well in some areas by the likes of the bnp to gain support this is a complicated issue that requires a lot of thought into solving it for the benefit of all.

Immigration is what the bnp are using right now to gain support as they know it is a genuine fear many have and rightly so in many cases but they do not represent the solution to this problem nor any others that affect us and need resolving. One million people may have voted for the bnp in the euro elections but i would bet money most of them didn't scratch the surface of the bnp and what they really stand for they listened to them about immigration and mp's expenses as that was a major elecion talking point for the bnp in those elections.

Those people are not racist they are not all ignorant or stupid for voting bnp they made a protest and did so without fully reasling who they voted for that won't be the case at the next election as who and what the bnp are is coming out into the mainstream and rather then them increase their vote in the general election i fully expect to see it go down.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Moldova

If you are born in England why do we have to put White British instead of White English.

Probably because so many people seem to think it means the same thing, those who print official forms assume you don't mind.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Foreverwar, thanks for that, BUT you must appreciate that the UK is bursting at the seams, and we MUST now close the door on anymore people coming into this country BOTH main parties will always say that
'any immagrants that come into this country will only benefit the economy of this country' which is total nonsense. It is true, that Britain is no longer British, you cannot do anything or say anything without offending people, and this great country of ours has a freedom of speech, sadly you cannot do that anymore.

Arthur, not for the first time on this forum, you are talking complete arse.

The island of Great Britain is NOT 'bursting at the seams'. We have about 95,000 square miles to live in. Sadly, successive governments have followed highly centralist policies which have led to Greater London (area 600 square miles) having a greater population than the whole of Scotland (area approx. 30,000 square miles). It's not just confined to Greater London, the whole of the southeast of England suffers similarly. That part of Great Britain now has, in parts, just about the highest population density of anywhere in Europe.

There is plenty of room for us to bring in as many desirable immigrants as we please. However the government needs to start seriously looking at the long term planning issues that have encouraged both native and immigrant populations to gravitate towards the southeast of England. This is starting in some areas - the BBC for example has moved a lot of its production out of London and will move a whole lot more out when it moves its main base to Manchester. But there is room for a whole lot more.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Russ

Probably because so many people seem to think it means the same thing, those who print official forms assume you don't mind.

I was born in England and therefore I am English and any form I fill in should have that option.

What about you being Welsh are you happy to tick the White British box or should it not be White Welsh.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Arthur, you may find this research article from University College London of interest - it states
and


Please bear in mind this is not produced by a political party or a pressure group, but by academic researchers.

Interesting article foreverwar ,it doesn't however seem to take into account the effect on local economy and social housing when immigrants are placed or choose to live in one area of the country i.e Newcastle -west road ,benwell ,cruddas park instead of being spread about ,it also doesn't take into account immigrants who don't claim any benefits but don't pay taxes and work in the black market using false identities but still getting health care .I don't think that legitimate immigrants are the main problem it's the one's who arrived claiming asylum and then disapeared asimilating into society within a matter of months

Yeah, how dare they want to live close to people of similar tastes and experiences. I mean, it's not as if ex-pat Brits like to live in white ghettos and refuse to learn the local language, is it ...