[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Chris,

What I'm saying is that Griffin is alluding to the fact that the Government of the day allowed the holocaust to continue. The RAF, without public disclosure of the rationale, could quite simply have bombed the access roads and railway lines which specifically serviced these camps with absolutely zero risk of compromising Bletchley Park or the work of those involved in decoding transmissions.

That they elected not to do so, combined with Churchill's advocacy of the use of poisoned gas, kicks Britain in the toys from an historically anti racist perspective. Griffin is seeking to challenge people's perception to the point that they question the sincerity of any British government when it comes to racism, imperialism etc.

Additionally his "I have trouble with the numbers" explanation last night is a direct reference to a row currently taking place between various secular elements of judaism. He is using their actual terminology and playing on the far right of judaism in relation to repatriation.

This guy is nowhere near as stupid as the mainstream would like to have us believe, nor are those who are coaching him. Last night taught us that much at least.

I think you are over-interpreting. The problem with your interpretation is that hardly anyone (and definitely in his target audience) would have picked up on what he meant, so it makes no electoral sense whatsoever. I think his 'trouble with the numbers' means: 'I accept the holocaust took place, but I don't accept the numbers. Four hundred seems nearer the true number than Six million'.

[Pierre]

I think there are further issues that bear examination there, although they would be beyond the current topic (availability of resources for raiding death camp supply lines, for example ... the mission would have been morally highly desirable but of limited strategic value at a time when every bomb, bullet, spitfire and Lancaster was vital).

Slightly diverting to answer this point only.

We could have quite easily undertaken such a raid. We spared 19 Mosquitos for operation Jericho. A similar operation on the death camps and concentration camps would not have been dissimilar

http://www.sporting-memories.com/aai/gc002.htm

Mr Angry during the war a great debate and period of planning took place on what they could do to disrupt the death camps and in the end it was decided logistically and tactically not possible to do anything to disrupt them long term and only the bombing of the camps themself would achieve that which was not done for obvious reasons.

If as you believe nick griffin was going down that route he would have known all that so i highly doubt that was what he was doing and i think your reading more into him then was there imo. The information on all of this is on the net somewhere but i don't have the links anymore but searching will find you it .

Reality was that nick griffin has many many unsavoury moments from his past putting it nicely and for him to think he would not face scrutiny on them or have far better explanations of them does really show him up for the lightweight he is. Sorry but after watching that last night if anyone feels the bnp are more worthy of their vote then they were before he went on then they were already decided whether they realised it or not it was not by any means a good performance on his part nor do it make the bnp anymore vote worthy then they were in fact i would say the opposite is the case but thats just my personal opinion .

[migibro]

This man got exactly what he wanted from us all last night, the BBC, the general public, and all who took notice, (ATTENTION), the same as any or all the people in the world that require it when they are in a position of power i:e Hitler, Osama, The Kennedys, Gordon Brown, Barack Obama, they are all there to grab our attention, and we all fall for it, some of the people use it for good reasons some for bad, thats why i named the good with the bad, which in my eyes makes him a hell of a lot cleverer than anyone can even think, and also we have now given him noteriety he was wanting, and now he will be remembered, in history may i add, because we will all be talking about him for many years to come, and we all put him there, and until people realise thats what he/they want and start ignoring him, like you would if it was the bighead or the bully at school, there will only ever be one victor comes out of these things. I mean who would have remembered Emilly Pankhurst, or Jack the Ripper, no one, but for the things they done, we all read the news that the media pumps into our heads, and unfortunately these days it is impossible to ignore it. So lets face it he got on the stage and we all clapped "as it where" so now the ace card is in our hands and we should speak before they get chance to not after the horse has already bolted !

[Gary L]

I'm wondering how long it will be till the 1 million BNP supporters becomes 2 million, now that the BNP have had their airing on British TV.

Mr Griffin has complained about his treatment on Question Time.

I found this comment of his interesting

He also claimed the audience was not representative of the UK as a whole as levels of immigration in London meant it was "no longer a British city".

Roffle roffle. I did wonder about this though, as the proportion of non-white faces was somewhat higher than usual. QT is meant to be representative, but is it meant to be representative of the UK in general or of the local political and cultural situation in whatever town it happens to be in each week?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Mr Griffin has complained about his treatment on Question Time.

I suppose he does have a point really. who decided that the program was to be all about race anyway?
I suppose it had to be because he was on there.

[Hiroki]

Can't really blame the bloke for complaining as the whole thing was like one big witch hunt really.

[migibro]

Originally Posted by Chris

Roffle roffle. I did wonder about this though, as the proportion of non-white faces was somewhat higher than usual. QT is meant to be representative, but is it meant to be representative of the UK in general or of the local political and cultural situation in whatever town it happens to be in each week?

My thoughts exactly, also the man on the spot got what his party required, because lets face it we're all talking about it now aren't we ! Nuff Said !

[Gary L]

People are becoming increasingly less tolerant of mass immigration, and the governments attitude about it.
As was said, people that have voted the BNP are not necessarily racist. they are only concerned with the dismissed concerns of mass immigration by the present government. and the BNP are a party that have the same views, so out of the choices available, the BNP is the one they will choose.

which from watching the show, they and probably many more could think that 'they're' still not bothered about these concerns.
Political Correctness gets in the way all the time.

What is 'Political Correctness' Gary?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

What is 'Political Correctness' Gary?

Ideas, policies, and behaviour seen as seeking to minimize social offense.

[migibro]

Originally Posted by Chris

What is 'Political Correctness' Gary?

"Political Correctness" now means not being able to open your mouth without being victimised for it !

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ideas, policies, and behaviour seen as seeking to minimize social offense.

Yes, well done, we can all cut and paste from Wikipedia.

Do you understand what it means, Gary?