Drunk student shows no respect for soldiers - Page 2

Sirius · 16-10-2009, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I wonder if the lads in the local garrison will be on the lookout for this contemptable little turd....

I do hope so.

In fact i hope he is now wondering if someone will find him and explain to him how to behave in future

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Damien, I have to strongly disagree. No matter how drunk anyone gets, they are always responsible for their actions!

Drivers who drink to excess and then get caught behind the wheel of their car are still held responsible. People who stay up all night, then fall asleep behind the wheel of their motor vehicle are help accountable for their actions, if they cause an accident.... So why should people who get blattered of their faces and urinate whereever they feel like get a free pass.... We are responsible for our actions at all times, not just when its convenient.....

16-10-2009, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Damien, I have to strongly disagree. No matter how drunk anyone gets, they are always responsible for their actions!

Drivers who drink to excess and then get caught behind the wheel of their car are still held responsible. People who stay up all night, then fall asleep behind the wheel of their motor vehicle are help accountable for their actions, if they cause an accident.... So why should people who get blattered of their faces and urinate whereever they feel like get a free pass.... We are responsible for our actions at all times, not just when its convenient.....

quite agree EOB ,so let this be a lesson to all you students

it's not big(especially in his case)and it's not clever

16-10-2009, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Moldova

They should let him visit the local army barracks and introduce him to the lads in the mess behind closed doors, where the squaddies could instil a bit of respect into him

Yeah baby I'm all for that.

**Damien** · 16-10-2009, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Damien, I have to strongly disagree. No matter how drunk anyone gets, they are always responsible for their actions!

Drivers who drink to excess and then get caught behind the wheel of their car are still held responsible. People who stay up all night, then fall asleep behind the wheel of their motor vehicle are help accountable for their actions, if they cause an accident.... So why should people who get blattered of their faces and urinate whereever they feel like get a free pass.... We are responsible for our actions at all times, not just when its convenient.....

I am not saying he is not responsible for his actions and he himself agrees.

I am saying though that I think you need to actively want to disrespect this soldiers for that to be valid. In other words I think he meant no malice in his actions, indeed I don't think he was thinking about it. Which makes it slightly less aggravating. This is not a evil or sick person willingly defacing a grave, it's a stupid guy doing something stupid when he is drunk.

Obviously he will have to pay some penalty but I don't think he deserves the anger that will be directed at him as if he logically wanted to make a statement about the soldiers.

Hiroki · 16-10-2009, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I wonder if the lads in the local garrison will be on the lookout for this contemptable little turd....

Surely they will have better things to do like getting ready to fight in an unwinnable war?

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Originally Posted by Damien

I am not saying he is not responsible for his actions and he himself agrees.

I am saying though that I think you need to actively want to disrespect this soldiers for that to be valid. In other words I think he meant no malice in his actions, indeed I don't think he was thinking about it. Which makes it slightly less aggravating. This is not a evil or sick person willingly defacing a grave, it's a stupid guy doing something stupid when he is drunk.

Obviously he will have to pay some penalty but I don't think he deserves the anger that will be directed at him as if he logically wanted to make a statement about the soldiers.

You know I agree with that, even though it was a horrible thing he did it's not like he actually knew what he was doing or meant any malice towards the soldiers memory

Peter_ · 16-10-2009, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Hiroki

You know I agree with that, even though it was a horrible thing he did it's not like he actually knew what he was doing or meant any malice towards the soldiers memory

Well maybe you should look a bit closer at the photos as he is aiming at the top of the memorial with its wreaths and not at the side, a real pity it was not electrified.

Being drunk is not an excuse for what he has done.

**Damien** · 16-10-2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Well maybe you should look a bit closer at the photos as he is aiming at the top of the memorial with its wreaths and not at the side, a real pity it was not electrified.

Being drunk is not an excuse for what he has done.

Not an 'excuse' but it's not evidence that he feels any malice or disrespect to the soldiers. It's an very stupid act that was committed under the influence of alcohol. People are acting like he is a spiteful, evil, sod.

He seems to be genuinely apologetic. He just needs the suitable punishment and not a pitchfork routine. Just chalk it up to a lack of judgement and move on.

Peter_ · 16-10-2009, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not an 'excuse' but it's not evidence that he feels any malice or disrespect to the soldiers. It's an very stupid act that was committed under the influence of alcohol. People are acting like he is a spiteful, evil, sod.

He seems to be genuinely apologetic. He just needs the suitable punishment and not a pitchfork routine. Just chalk it up to a lack of judgement and move on.

As I said above he was aiming to get on top of the memorial not the side of it, and if it was not for the soldiers it remembers I would not like to think what would have happened to him under the regime we defeated in 2 World Wars if he urinated on their memorial.

Hiroki · 16-10-2009, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Moldova

Well maybe you should look a bit closer at the photos as he is aiming at the top of the memorial with its wreaths and not at the side, a real pity it was not electrified.

Being drunk is not an excuse for what he has done.

Well I wasn't there so I can't say if or what he was aiming for (if anything).

He was drunk and has been shamed for it so he would have learnt his lesson.

papa smurf · 16-10-2009, 21:29

do drunken students show any respect for anything ?

Graham M · 16-10-2009, 22:19

I was a drunken student once and urinated against a church wall, so no, I don't think it goes through your head what you're thinking and it's not a middle finger to anyone, you work like a dog, you find a vertical surface and go

TheDaddy · 17-10-2009, 07:42

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Originally Posted by Damien

He seems to be genuinely apologetic. He just needs the suitable punishment and not a pitchfork routine. Just chalk it up to a lack of judgement and move on.

What do you think is a suitable punishment, being thrown out of uni?

Philip Laing, 19, has left his student digs after being ordered to stay away from Sheffield Hallam University while tutors decide whether to expel him.

http://dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view...ial-for-heroes

Btw I tend to agree with you, he messed up really bad but then we have all done stupid things when slaughtered, I mean he was so wrecked he even gave the reportors his name! I'd have said a suitable punishment would be for him to clean the memorial every Sunday morning until further notice but then I guess he'd prefer the beating some members here have suggested rather than being expelled.

**Damien** · 17-10-2009, 09:18

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What do you think is a suitable punishment, being thrown out of uni?

Philip Laing, 19, has left his student digs after being ordered to stay away from Sheffield Hallam University while tutors decide whether to expel him.

http://dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view...ial-for-heroes

Btw I tend to agree with you, he messed up really bad but then we have all done stupid things when slaughtered, I mean he was so wrecked he even gave the reportors his name! I'd have said a suitable punishment would be for him to clean the memorial every Sunday morning until further notice but then I guess he'd prefer the beating some members here have suggested rather than being expelled.

Maybe an apology. Which he has given. Then a couple of days community service with the Royal British Legion. He certainly does not deserve expulsion, and the fact his name has been printed in the national press is pretty bad public humiliation for him.

I mean there is no evidence he is a bad guy, just that he did something stupid.

Raistlin · 17-10-2009, 09:25

1. Yes. He should be punished.
2. The punishment should fit the crime.
3. This continues to expose just how ridiculous our legal system is: Lad gets drunk on night out, pees on war memorial, gets photo taken, gets caught, is going to be prosecuted, ends up all over the news, might get kicked out of Uni, is publicly shamed and villified. Youths torture and kill small child, get new identities and state pays for them for the rest of their lives.....super.

17-10-2009, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Rob M

3. This continues to expose just how ridiculous our legal system is: Lad gets drunk on night out, pees on war memorial, gets photo taken, gets caught, is going to be prosecuted, ends up all over the news, might get kicked out of Uni, is publicly shamed and villified. Youths torture and kill small child, get new identities and state pays for them for the rest of their lives.....super.

Time for a bloody revolution me thinks ?