Christians arrested for defending their beliefs - Page 13

Russ · 24-09-2009, 13:36

Yes, after a quick bit of googling I'm glad you've moved on from the point you were trying to make.

So, the point being made earlier is more often than not these Muslims did not 'enter' this country as they were born here. The vast majority abide by the law of their land. So that whole line of discussion is a bit pointless - they have the same right of expression as Christians, Atheists and anyone else.

Sparkle · 24-09-2009, 13:55

Interesting point. I wonder if perhaps there is a need for some legal clarification, just so we know where we all stand with one another. For instance, we've all heard recently how the Law will treat cases of assisted suicide. Perhaps similar guidelines are needed for religion related hot-topics and private discussions?
This could transform internet debates, imagine being able to sue someone because they compared your prophet to the Easter Bunny? By transform, of course I mean such discussions would be so restricted that they'd be effectively banned overnight...
T'is a shame people can't just get along, because when the law gets involved things can start to get messy.

nomadking · 24-09-2009, 14:07

The major problem seems to be that, it's only if certain groups are 'insulted', that action is taken. How do those groups get chosen? Is it payments to Labour Party Funds?

Flyboy · 24-09-2009, 14:21

Yes, of course, Labour Party Headquarters put out an order to tell the police and the CPS, to only prosecute groups who don't make large contributions to the party and if any of their contributors tell them to jump, they are to ask how high.

If they did do this, could you post a link to it, as I must have missed that one.

nomadking · 24-09-2009, 14:29

So which groups that don't donate to the Labour Party are allowed to complain and be taken notice of?

Flyboy · 24-09-2009, 14:32

Well, I would have thought that all of them were.

Or are you aware of some special rule that says that they are not?

nomadking · 24-09-2009, 14:40

Did you actually read the last words of the post? It's one thing to be allowed to complain, but it is the reaction to that complaint and whether anything happens as a result of the complaint that truly counts.

So people showing placards complaining about the behaviour of Iraqi Kurds(in Dover area?) were portrayed as being racist and ignored, but when local Muslims in Peterborough attacked Iraqi Kurds and went on a mini-riot because of the behaviour of the Iraqi Kurds, the local Labour MP Helen Clark said that something must be done to address their complaints.

**Hugh** · 24-09-2009, 14:44

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The major problem seems to be that, it's only if certain groups are 'insulted', that action is taken. How do those groups get chosen? Is it payments to Labour Party Funds?

In your view.

Is this "group" also paying the Labour Party, or could it be you are just spouting round things?

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Did you actually read the last words of the post? It's one thing to be allowed to complain, but it is the reaction to that complaint and whether anything happens as a result of the complaint that truly counts.

So people showing placards complaining about the behaviour of Iraqi Kurds(in Dover area?) were portrayed as being racist and ignored, but when local Muslims in Peterborough attacked Iraqi Kurds and went on a mini-riot because of the behaviour of the Iraqi Kurds, the local Labour MP Helen Clark said that something must be done to address their complaints.

You do realise that Iraqi Kurds are mostly Muslims, don't you? Or are you complaining that an MP was backing up local Muslims against immigrant Muslims?

Flyboy · 24-09-2009, 14:48

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Did you actually read the last words of the post? It's one thing to be allowed to complain, but it is the reaction to that complaint and whether anything happens as a result of the complaint that truly counts.

So people showing placards complaining about the behaviour of Iraqi Kurds(in Dover area?) were portrayed as being racist and ignored, but when local Muslims in Peterborough attacked Iraqi Kurds and went on a mini-riot because of the behaviour of the Iraqi Kurds, the local Labour MP Helen Clark said that something must be done to address their complaints.

I did read the whole post, thank you very much and answered it appropriately. I am sorry that you did not understand it, though, I kinda thought it was quite simply worded, but there you go, eh. There is no directive, that I am aware of, which says that non-contributors are to be ignored; do you know of one?

If you are concerned about certain groups being unable to voice their opinions adequately, perhaps you should talk to Helen Clark.

nomadking · 24-09-2009, 15:14

Again, it's not whether people can voice their opinions, it's what happens when they do. Are they bullied/oppressed/suppressed by being arrested or by accusations of racism etc?

It's an example of a situation where two groups were 'protesting' about essentially the same thing, but only the complaints of one of the groups were thought to warrant a positive view and the possibility of their complaints being addressed.

Flyboy · 24-09-2009, 15:17

Perhaps because their complaints weren't being addressed before. But, any hoo, any luck on this secret order from the Labour party?

Russ · 24-09-2009, 16:24

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Again, it's not whether people can voice their opinions, it's what happens when they do. Are they bullied/oppressed/suppressed by being arrested or by accusations of racism etc?

It's an example of a situation where two groups were 'protesting' about essentially the same thing, but only the complaints of one of the groups were thought to warrant a positive view and the possibility of their complaints being addressed.

Dear me, paranoia is at an all-time high...

Sparkle · 24-09-2009, 17:57

Right, any Church of Jedi members on here? For what its worth, I think Obiwan was something of a warlord, and Princess Leah wore a garment.....that I can only describe as being a bondage dress.
*drums fingers and waits for knock on door*

**Hugh** · 24-09-2009, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Sparkle

Right, any Church of Jedi members on here? For what its worth, I think Obiwan was something of a warlord, and Princess Leah wore a garment.....that I can only describe as being a bondage dress.
*drums fingers and waits for knock on door*

Do you really believe that is all that was said?

Because if it was only those two comments, any court case would be a pointless exercise - however, let's wait and see, shall we?

nomadking · 24-09-2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Dear me, paranoia is at an all-time high...

Isn't this thread meant to be about an actual arrest for expressing opinions. So if I stood up and said that I wanted to have the same rights as immigrants, I wouldn't be arrested like in this example. It's not paranoia on my part, but 'head in the sand' syndrome on yours.

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Mr Page was also astonished to discover that his name was put on a "Homo-phobic Incidents Register".

He also took exception to an internal email from the arresting officer - after requesting a change of bail renewal date to allow him to go on a journalistic trip to Kenya, the sergeant wrote: "Let's hope he gets eaten by a crocodile."

And that's not bullying/oppression?