Christians arrested for defending their beliefs - Page 10

Russ · 22-09-2009, 12:59

Back on-topic now.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Wonderful. Back on-topic now which, seeing as you've got your 'point' out of the way, is about a Christian couple facing prosecution over what they said offending a Muslim.

And as has been said. the Muslim needs to grow some balls. or better still, explain why they're so upset about someone's opinion so much.

Russ · 22-09-2009, 13:01

Well that's what normally happens in court.

Xaccers · 22-09-2009, 13:08

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In this case i think these owners are using christianity to cover what are probably rather ignorant personal views more then anything and as such this is not really a christianity vs islam matter. Whatever else we think of this particular matter lets not follow their example by being offensive or insulting to others in this thread.

I'd go as far as saying it's probably not the couple who are saying they were defending their christian beliefs but the christian groups which are supporting them.
Look at the case of the BA woman who was supposedly defending her christian beliefs, and the claims that BA was denying her the right to wear a cross.
You had Religious commentator Clifford Longley claiming BA were preventing her having her cross on display because they mistakenly believed it would offend other faiths.
Turned out BA didn't have a problem with it as long as she stayed within company rules, which applied to all jewelery, and kept it covered. She didn't want to accept that and continued to defy the company policy and so paid the price.
Christian groups have cottoned on to the persecution idea, so if they say they're being wronged they should get their way, and if they don't, it re-enforces the image of them being persecuted.
Look at the KICC which christian news sites claimed was being denied a new building because they are christian and not muslim, when it's actually down to the fraudulent activities of their pastor.
Personally I find exploiting the current anti-muslim atmosphere reprehensible.
Israel used to play the victim a lot, the Palestinians do it too, so it's not a specific christian ploy, and it's normally organisations with a bit of political savy that do it publicly (not wanting to activate anyone's individual persecution complexes).

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Originally Posted by Gary L

And as has been said. the Muslim needs to grow some balls. or better still, explain why they're so upset about someone's opinion so much.

We covered this.
Even as a non-believer I can understand why a muslim is likely to be insulted by being told that mohammed was a warlord* and islamic dress for women is a form of bondage.

*does anyone honestly think they just said "I say, that mohammed was a warlord" and then the woman rang the police, or are we all pretty sure more was said on the matter and that's most likely what insulted her?

22-09-2009, 13:21

There is just too much we don't know about all of this to come to any rational conclusion. Were the couple angry in their tone, wording or mannerisms while saying all of this, was more said then what we know, do they have a history of this sort of thing simply too many unknowns for us right now. Better to wait till this has been to court then debate it.

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 13:33

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

There is just too much we don't know about all of this to come to any rational conclusion. Were the couple angry in their tone, wording or mannerisms while saying all of this, was more said then what we know, do they have a history of this sort of thing simply too many unknowns for us right now. Better to wait till this has been to court then debate it.

Not being funny, but if we were to do that, then we shouldn't discuss anything till the jury has returned their verdict on everything that goes on in the world.

There's a murder trial going on that happened just around the corner from me, and I've known the person that did it for the last 27 years.

**Hugh** · 22-09-2009, 13:44

Don't you mean you know the person who is accused of doing it?

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 13:46

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Don't you mean you know the person who is accused of doing it?

No.

**Hugh** · 22-09-2009, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Gary L

And as has been said. the Muslim needs to grow some balls. or better still, explain why they're so upset about someone's opinion so much.

You're absolutely right - the muslim woman who was staying at the hotel whilst attending the local hospital for medical treatment should grow some balls.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

No.

Ah, the old "innocent until proven guilty" and "fair trial" don't count in this case, eh?

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 13:52

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

You're absolutely right - the muslim woman who was staying at the hotel whilst attending the local hospital for medical treatment should grow some balls.

Ah, what medical treatment?

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Ah, the old "innocent until proven guilty" and "fair trial" don't count in this case, eh?

No, because he did do it.
he will be the accused to you because you don't know that he did it, but I know that he did it. which is what your question was.

Russ · 22-09-2009, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Gary L

No, because he did do it.
he will be the accused to you because you don't know that he did it, but I know that he did it. which is what your question was.

Seriously, I'd give up now if I were you. Retain some dignity while you're at it.

**Damien** · 22-09-2009, 13:54

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but I know that he did it. which is what your question was.

So your testifying in the trial with the evidence proving he did it?

Gary L · 22-09-2009, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Seriously, I'd give up now if I were you. Retain some dignity while you're at it.

Russ, I know the person that did it, I know he did it.
he's due to be sentenced in October.

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So your testifying in the trial with the evidence proving he did it?

No.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 22-09-2009, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

We covered this.
Even as a non-believer I can understand why a muslim is likely to be insulted by being told that mohammed was a warlord* and islamic dress for women is a form of bondage.

*does anyone honestly think they just said "I say, that mohammed was a warlord" and then the woman rang the police, or are we all pretty sure more was said on the matter and that's most likely what insulted her?

I personally think that something like "if you don't like it you can get the <insert expletive of your choice here> out of this country" was added...Or even "you <insert expletive> etc etc"

I bet if this is the case, the Daily mail won't include any further coverage of this story.

Xaccers · 22-09-2009, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I personally think that something like "if you don't like it you can get the <insert expletive of your choice here> out of this country" was added...Or even "you <insert expletive> etc etc"

I bet if this is the case, the Daily mail won't include any further coverage of this story.

Slightly more harsh than what Shappi Khorsandi says happened to her when she asked why there wasn't a Gideon bible in her hotel room and was told that as she had a funny name they thought it might offend her. It wouldn't have, but being told she had a funny name might just