Football : Season 2009/2010

[iadom]

Originally Posted by Damien

Hope Arsenal aren't suspected of doing this. Better yet I hope they haven't ever done something like this

Cough, Fabregas.

Originally Posted by iadom

Cough, Fabregas.

Pretty sure we signed him legally..Couldn't find anything on a Google search. Still Barcelona aren't complaining (Although they want him back) so meh.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Am I right in thinking FIFA's stance only covers youth signings?

[sherer]

not sure on the specifics but i'm sure Chelsea prob signed this player legally too. What they do and Man U do this all the time too is bring the player and their parents over when they are 15, put them up in a posh hotel, take them to a game, introduce them to the team and Fergie etc etc offer the parents some money and then the player leaves one smaller club to sign for a bigger club when they reach 16 and can sign the papers.

Originally Posted by sherer

not sure on the specifics but i'm sure Chelsea prob signed this player legally too. What they do and Man U do this all the time too is bring the player and their parents over when they are 15, put them up in a posh hotel, take them to a game, introduce them to the team and Fergie etc etc offer the parents some money and then the player leaves one smaller club to sign for a bigger club when they reach 16 and can sign the papers.

I am not sure of the specifics either but apparently they deliberately encouraged the player to break his contract in order to sign him. What United do isn't illegal (as far as I know) just unpopular because United do it in order to bypass the club and avoid paying them any real compensation.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am not sure of the specifics either but apparently they deliberately encouraged the player to break his contract in order to sign him. What United do isn't illegal (as far as I know) just unpopular because United do it in order to bypass the club and avoid paying them any real compensation.

When you say "United" i take it you mean every big club in Europe?

How have FIFA proven that Chelsea have forced him to leave the club anyway? I doubt the player or his agent have told FIFA. It's going to be the club they got him from probably, it seems FIFA have made a ruling going by one side of the story, the side of the club that are annoyed the've lost a player for little money.

[sherer]

like I said I don't think any clubs are actually doing anything illegal but they come in and scout these players then pay the parents a fee and wave a big contract under the players nose so he signs for them instead of a small local club where he lives. The club who has trained him since 11 then misses out on the player and they have wasted all the money they have invested.

UEFA want to ban transfers for players under 17 \ 18 yo which will stop some of this happening, although that won't cover Africa and all the players that come from there

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by sherer

like I said I don't think any clubs are actually doing anything illegal but they come in and scout these players then pay the parents a fee and wave a big contract under the players nose so he signs for them instead of a small local club where he lives. The club who has trained him since 11 then misses out on the player and they have wasted all the money they have invested.

UEFA want to ban transfers for players under 17 \ 18 yo which will stop some of this happening, although that won't cover Africa and all the players that come from there

The problem , as far as i'm aware, is that English clubs can give players a proffesional contract at a younger age compared to other European countries. We did it with Macheda and another young Italian called Petrucci, apparently the club got his Dad a job as a gardener in England so he would sign for us. Neither were under contract in Italy so were free to move, United did nothing wrong because of that.

I don't think banning transfers for players under 18 is the right way to go, i think there should be a set age where a player can sign a proffesional contract across Europe, so a club can still buy 17/18 year olds, but will have to pay what they're worth, rather than getting them for free.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

When you say "United" i take it you mean every big club in Europe?

How have FIFA proven that Chelsea have forced him to leave the club anyway? I doubt the player or his agent have told FIFA. It's going to be the club they got him from probably, it seems FIFA have made a ruling going by one side of the story, the side of the club that are annoyed the've lost a player for little money.

The burdon is and always has been with the accused with FIFA due to the fact the organisation was formed in Paris by a Frenchman and circumstantially they are right, the player had a contract and breached it to join another club, Chelsea didn't have to sign him knowing those circumstances and that's not even mentioning any financial inducements they surely offered.

They have been at it for years and are getting what they deserve, it's too easy for them just to compensate clubs like they have in the past Mikel, Woods, Tawano (sp) and Profit (didn't actually sign IIRC) spring to mind, the latter whom they were actually caught doing on tape I might add.

Glad they are showing teeth now, it just seemed so pointless for clubs like Chelsea to be stealing these kids, most never seem to get near the first teams anyway.

Moving on wonder what'll happen about Pogba, this is a can of worms that needed opening long ago.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Well l hope that United get done for poaching Berbatov, we as Spurs fans new he was on his way to City, before Fergie got his oar in.

[dev]

He never wanted to go to City even though they offered more, he wanted CL football and that was only possible with United.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.

No not similar at all, Berbatov didn't break his contract, nor is he a child and don't think Fergie or even Fegie is above FIFA's wrath, FIFA exec's are the only people in football that are, with them the brown envelope is still king.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.

This one seemed strange to me Arthur.
We had a player, well tottenham had a player who was under contract, when Berbatov lands at the airport he is met by Ferguson who offers to buy him a big mac and ask to look at his holiday snaps
It is seen as nothing wrong going on by some quarters, mainly by United who gain to sign the player.
But Real Madrid do a similar thing with Ronaldo, and Uniteds legal team come up with this idea that because Ronaldo is under contract there is nothing for the fans to worry about, that ronaldo is " their boy ".
Totally baffles me I admit, better go back to playing ollies I think.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Ferguson.html

I think Ferguson thinks we're genuine threats