Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Hi Foreverwar, At our school they had the slipper, and if they came back for more they received the cane, across the knuckles. they did not come back for more after that.

All teachers got respect from the pupils, l always remember we had a teacher called David Cocup who was a PE teacher, who had his own form, and one day in the playground, a elder boy hit him with a cricket bat, with a great force, and instead of pupils laughing and shouting out ' bundle ', the pupils turned on the kid, who was known as the school hardnut, and gave him what for.

Yes they di have school punishment, and you knew it.

Originally Posted by rogermevans

i agree i saw the cane used repeatedly on the same pupils picked on by the same teachers time and time again mainly because they were not as smart as the rest of us

those teacher were not good teachers and coincidently were the ones who left once it was banned and the school was better for their loss

for every story of success you can find many more who were picked on and bullied by teachers via this barbaric method of teaching

Actually the same pupils getting caned in my school had as much to do with the inability to learn the rules.However as the canings all took place in public there was no danger of victimisation or of a beating as everyone could see all that took place. There was also no use of the cane on the buttocks..only on the hands.The lessons were learned by everyone else watching..the majority of which never got caned because they mostly stuck to the rules.

It was the throwing of blackboard rubbers across the room that constituted bullying.Luckily the teacher that did that was stopped when he actually broke a window.

However as I've said several times the cane has gone..we have to use different tactics to maintain discipline.Arguing about it is just an academic discussion and really a waste of time.It isn't coming back.

So Arthur move on.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Nidge

They still have it in Turkey and in Greece, their Children are polite and well behaved.

Not always. Turkish and Greek kids are like ours. You get good ones and you get bad ones.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Foreverwar, At our school they had the slipper, and if they came back for more they received the cane, across the knuckles. they did not come back for more after that.

All teachers got respect from the pupils, l always remember we had a teacher called David Cocup who was a PE teacher, who had his own form, and one day in the playground, a elder boy hit him with a cricket bat, with a great force, and instead of pupils laughing and shouting out ' bundle ', the pupils turned on the kid, who was known as the school hardnut, and gave him what for.

Yes they di have school punishment, and you knew it.

I have to admit, while they didn't use the Cane or slipper at my school, they did have strict discipline. While my School was far from perfect (I suffered bullying due to my voice and when I reported it was told that it would be character building for me to deal with it and that the school would do nothing), and there were kids that tried it on, we had no serious problems.

Why? Because we knew that if we caused serious problems, we would be sent to either the head of school, deputy head or head of department. All of whom would punish us. Usually by making us perform a boring or horrible task (our head of science always had us clean his rugby boots inside and out for instance) and would stand over us while we did it.

[Jimmy-J]

The slipper and cane didn't work on me, I had it numerous times on the hands and the arse!

I think the problem here is that today there is little for the kids that set out to cause trouble to fear there is little or no retribution for their actions and in that environment people want something. It is ok to constantly harp about abuse towards kids but the fact is as always the vast vast majority of people are not abusers they would never commit abuse but they do want to have options in the area of control.

How many times have we heard numerous people\groups talk about a fear of some of our youth and the problems from that. This is not something that applies i would say to even 85% of kids today but that 15% are a problem and the influence they are having is a bigger problem that we are not addressing and dealing with.

I am not talking about a world where every kid walks about in fear of some kind of beating for the smallest infraction they might do but a world where we protect everyone from that element that is hell bent on disruption. It all stems from this attitude of understanding and the "there must be a reason for it" thinking rather then the acceptence that sometimes some people are just that way inclined and if there is nothing in place to stop them they will continue to push and push.

We see it in a few areas these days our approach to kids the way our system tends to deal with the criminal element and while it is all well and good to worry about their rights and welfare you do so at the expense of the majority who are not a problem do not cause disruption but are constantly victims of it from others we don't deal with.

We have to get back to a position of shunning those who disrupt who harm in anyway others and put them in the background where they belong and refocus on the people who are doing their best to achieve and contribute. Right now there seems to be more reason to be disruptive then to behave and that is a systemic problem which we have got to deal with putting the attention into those who do behave.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Foreverwar, At our school they had the slipper, and if they came back for more they received the cane, across the knuckles. they did not come back for more after that.

All teachers got respect from the pupils, l always remember we had a teacher called David Cocup who was a PE teacher, who had his own form, and one day in the playground, a elder boy hit him with a cricket bat, with a great force, and instead of pupils laughing and shouting out ' bundle ', the pupils turned on the kid, who was known as the school hardnut, and gave him what for.

Yes they di have school punishment, and you knew it.

Arthur, I assumed they did, but preferred to have confirmation from you, rather than basing our discussions on assumptions.

The reason I was looking for confirmation was that you don't seem to realise the oxymoronic nature of your proposition, where you state that teachers need to be able to administer corporal punishment, as this would stop bullying and cheeking, but then you go on to state that in your school, where corporal punishment was administered, not only did long-term (five years) bullying occur, but you mention above that a pupil assaulted a teacher with a cricket bat - corporal punishment didn't seem to work at your school, according to the things you have posted.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Product 13

The slipper and cane didn't work on me, I had it numerous times on the hands and the arse!

Was that at school or were you trying out the S&M scene.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by harmitage

Was that at school or were you trying out the S&M scene.

Reminded me of something I heard Humphry Lyttleton say on I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue over the weekend..

He said "Nanny always used to use physical punishment on me. Never did me any harm. It almost made me late getting here this afternoon though".

[Russ]

Originally Posted by harmitage

Was that at school or were you trying out the S&M scene.

Careful! You'll have Graham back here, defending the S&M sub-culture...

[rogerdraig]

please sir can i have another

[soicky]

Theres a game kids play where you get a ruler and smack it on the other persons hand as hard as you can. Each take turns until one person gives up and the other wins. This is the stuff kids do these days. Society has changed and caning will never be brought back.

[moaningmags]

We used to do something similar with playing cards. The card you picked was the amount of times you got rapped on the knuckles with the deck, we called it snipes.
Any update on the boy's condition?

[nffc]

Yes, he was released last night.

Thankfully... because whatever he did, it can't deserve serious brain damage or death. He probably just pushed his luck a bit.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by moaningmags

We used to do something similar with playing cards. The card you picked was the amount of times you got rapped on the knuckles with the deck, we called it snipes.
Any update on the boy's condition?

i remember playing snipes too. rulers are easier to get hold of than a pack of cards so more people played with the rulers.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by moaningmags

We used to do something similar with playing cards. The card you picked was the amount of times you got rapped on the knuckles with the deck, we called it snipes.
Any update on the boy's condition?

Good old snipes. Playing cards are far more vicious than a ruler. Rulers will eventually bruise. Snipes with playing cards, administered correctly, draws blood. Lots of it in my case since I was rubbish at it.