Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Nidge

It all boils down to the sink estate culture and lack of cane within the school system.

You have *******s in every school in the country regardless of class or area so very wrong to label it as a council estate issue.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by lucy7

I get what you are saying Roger.

I can clearly remeber mine saying to me "you cant touch me or I will ring Esther!"

They still did get a smack from time to time though, never a cane or slipper, just my hand.
I only hit them in control of myself though, and only when the talking avenue had not worked. Smacking in my house was a rare occassion.
I am not proud that I smacked them, and if I had to parent again, I do feel I would do it the same way though.

My husband, the childrens Dad hit my son once when he accidently stood on my dog and the dog yelped, he lashed into him big style, left several marks on him and hand prints that took over a week to go.
That was out of control smacking and not even disipline.
I was horrified and it was the nail in the coffin on the marriage after that.

I have just shown my lad this before I post it, and he has just followed the thread.
He says he agrees with me that the fear of punishment would probaly curb bad behavior in schools, but not stop it.

that is the key control you should almost never smack a child when you are angry unless its to emphasise something immediate and dangerous like a child running into the road

and although i give permission to those i trust to do this to my child i have to know them and their values very well before i do

and i am afraid a school would never meet those standards

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I heard that when the teacher appeared in court, most of his ex-pupils were in the public gallery to give support, and going onto the subject about being goaded, there is only so much a person can take, in a school or any workplace.

In a job l had that l was at for two and half years, l had taken a lot of verbal from my employer, l cracked and push him up against the wall, and theatened to knock his lights out, it happens everywhere.

The call for the return of the cane in this thread appears to be based on the assumption the kids were the problem - but if the evidence shows the teacher just lost it, due to recent stress-related health problems, where does this leave the "bring back the cane" premise?

btw, when I went to school in one of the roughest areas of Glasgow, the tawse (belt) was used - it never seemed to deter the tough nuts, who saw it as a badge of honour to be belted, showing they could take it.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I heard that when the teacher appeared in court, most of his ex-pupils were in the public gallery to give support, and going onto the subject about being goaded, there is only so much a person can take, in a school or any workplace.

In a job l had that l was at for two and half years, l had taken a lot of verbal from my employer, l cracked and push him up against the wall, and theatened to knock his lights out, it happens everywhere.

But what do you think would have happened if you had clouted him on the head with a metal weight, and put him into intensive care, Arthur?

How can anybody justify putting someone in hospital for being cheeky?

[lucy7]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

The call for the return of the cane in this thread appears to be based on the assumption the kids were the problem - but if the evidence shows the teacher just lost it, due to recent stress-related health problems, where does this leave the "bring back the cane" premise?

btw, when I went to school in one of the roughest areas of Glasgow, the tawse (belt) was used - it never seemed to deter the tough nuts, who saw it as a badge of honour to be belted, showing they could take it.



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But what do you think would have happened if you had clouted him on the head with a metal weight, and put him into intensive care, Arthur?

How can anybody justify putting someone in hospital for being cheeky?

That strap thing looks bad.

Response to second comment....No.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The biggest major problem in our schools today, are the fact, there is NO punishment given out for problem kids, that is why you have bullying, and yes it does go on, even today. I was bullied for FIVE years, and that was 30 years ago, The teachers found out by accident, and the child was given six smacks of the cane, in front of the whole school, This is what is needed today, the heads of all schools, should be given the nod to punish kids within the school hours.

[lucy7]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The biggest major problem in our schools today, are the fact, there is NO punishment given out for problem kids, that is why you have bullying, and yes it does go on, even today. I was bullied for FIVE years, and that was 30 years ago, The teachers found out by accident, and the child was given six smacks of the cane, in front of the whole school, This is what is needed today, the heads of all schools, should be given the nod to punish kids within the school hours.

Sorry to hear that Arthur, not nice at all.
Did it stop him after he was caned?

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The biggest major problem in our schools today, are the fact, there is NO punishment given out for problem kids, that is why you have bullying, and yes it does go on, even today. I was bullied for FIVE years, and that was 30 years ago, The teachers found out by accident, and the child was given six smacks of the cane, in front of the whole school, This is what is needed today, the heads of all schools, should be given the nod to punish kids within the school hours.

Arthur, sorry to hear you were bullied, as it's not an experience anyone should have to go through, but you appear to be contradicting yourself - you seem to be proposing that caning/slippering/etc would stop bullying, but then you state that when caning/slippering/etc was in place at the school you attended, you were still bullied (for five years); it didn't appear to deter the bully.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The biggest major problem in our schools today, are the fact, there is NO punishment given out for problem kids, that is why you have bullying, and yes it does go on, even today. I was bullied for FIVE years, and that was 30 years ago, The teachers found out by accident, and the child was given six smacks of the cane, in front of the whole school, This is what is needed today, the heads of all schools, should be given the nod to punish kids within the school hours.

i tend to think that that shows the cane doesn't work unless you feel one punishment makes up for those 5 years ?

its not the cane that was needed but better understanding of children an the realisation sadly lacking in many that kids will bully others if they can

too many seem to think it just doesn't happen or at least not in their school

far better i would say that they caught it earlier than had a cane available

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Let me explain something, When the bullying started, it started when l first went to the school and five years later, we had to write an essay, on the good things and bad things at school, as we were leaving the school, and that is when it came out, bullying was rife at my school, you had to pay protection money to kids, everything, they waited outside the school to take you 'dinner money' they did everything. I was always warned, if you told the form master, you would have to pay double. The headmaster read my essay, and that is when the boy was found out, and he ran a gang, and they were making a fortune, but there again, the teachers in my day WERE allowed to punish kids, and it stopped, but then you get a new year come in and it starts again in a new form.

I firmly believe that punishment in schools, has to be brought in, it is no good these do gooders, saying do not slap kids, just take things off them for a few days, detention doesn't deter them, as they will find something else to cause a problem.

Teachers are human after all, l can assure you, l would not like to be one.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Teachers are human after all, l can assure you, l would not like to be one.

Why, what have you got against humans?

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Let me explain something, When the bullying started, it started when l first went to the school and five years later, we had to write an essay, on the good things and bad things at school, as we were leaving the school, and that is when it came out, bullying was rife at my school, you had to pay protection money to kids, everything, they waited outside the school to take you 'dinner money' they did everything. I was always warned, if you told the form master, you would have to pay double. The headmaster read my essay, and that is when the boy was found out, and he ran a gang, and they were making a fortune, but there again, the teachers in my day WERE allowed to punish kids, and it stopped, but then you get a new year come in and it starts again in a new form.

I firmly believe that punishment in schools, has to be brought in, it is no good these do gooders, saying do not slap kids, just take things off them for a few days, detention doesn't deter them, as they will find something else to cause a problem.

Teachers are human after all, l can assure you, l would not like to be one.

it started again hardly a ringing endorsement of its efficacy then

yes i know teachers are human i run ( i get no payment for doing so ) A charity based nursery

but when you talk to headmasters and many teachers they proclaim its not a problem in THEIR school which we sensible people all know is nonsense

and that is the attitude that lets bullying continue not the lack of a cane

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Let me explain something, When the bullying started, it started when l first went to the school and five years later, we had to write an essay, on the good things and bad things at school, as we were leaving the school, and that is when it came out, bullying was rife at my school, you had to pay protection money to kids, everything, they waited outside the school to take you 'dinner money' they did everything. I was always warned, if you told the form master, you would have to pay double. The headmaster read my essay, and that is when the boy was found out, and he ran a gang, and they were making a fortune, but there again, the teachers in my day WERE allowed to punish kids, and it stopped, but then you get a new year come in and it starts again in a new form.

I firmly believe that punishment in schools, has to be brought in, it is no good these do gooders, saying do not slap kids, just take things off them for a few days, detention doesn't deter them, as they will find something else to cause a problem.

Teachers are human after all, l can assure you, l would not like to be one.

Arthur, did they have the cane/slipper/belt/some form of corporal punishment at the school you attended, and if they did, did it stop the bullying at your school?

Originally Posted by Nidge

I got caught skipping school by the teacher one day, he sent a letter out to my mum and dad, my dad went up to school to see the head of year, I was called into the office and my dad said to the teacher what sort of punishment are you going to give him? The teacher said I'm going to cane him. My dad said that's fine but I want to watch you cane him? The teacher looked shocked and said OK, I got 3 right across the backside. My dad said that's not hard enough, he took the cane off the teacher and gave me 3 more across the backside, the teacher stood there with a smug grin across his face, you could see the look of a result in his smile. I never skipped school again. After that for some strange reason I buckled down in school and got some good exam results.

When I left school and got a job I used to visit this teacher while he was in school teaching lessons, he never let me forget that day when my dad caned me in front of him, the above teacher was strict but fair, if he ever went past you in school and you had your top button undone he used to grab you by the tie and pull it up till you went blue in the face. This is the sort of teaching we need now along with the cane.

No it is not..That's vindictive.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

No it is not..That's vindictive.

i agree i saw the cane used repeatedly on the same pupils picked on by the same teachers time and time again mainly because they were not as smart as the rest of us

those teacher were not good teachers and coincidently were the ones who left once it was banned and the school was better for their loss

for every story of success you can find many more who were picked on and bullied by teachers via this barbaric method of teaching