Ronnie biggs refused but now granted parole - Page 6

**Hugh** · 05-07-2009, 17:08

He's been moved

punky · 05-07-2009, 17:14

Sounds nice. Better than a lot of nursing homes that decent upstanding members of society have to put up with, and for RB, a lot cheaper too.

You have to wonder what the point of it all is.

Stuart · 05-07-2009, 17:18

People who think the RB should be released because he is ill and no longer a danger, I'd like to ask you one thing..

If someone else in the same situation (performed a massive robbery and was implicated in the death of an innocent man but is now terminally ill and "no longer a danger to society") but was 50 years younger and didn't have the publicity team RB seems to have, would you be calling for him to be released, or would you be calling for him to die in jail?

I find it interesting that some of the people that are here calling for his release have been known to call for younger people committing the same crimes (remember, it was a violent robbery with a death involved) to rot in jail.

punky · 05-07-2009, 17:19

Not the most accurate reporting by The Times:

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The driver, Jack Mills, was repeatedly coshed over the head, causing his early death.

I thought he died of leukemia?

superbiatch · 05-07-2009, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

People who think the RB should be released because he is ill and no longer a danger, I'd like to ask you one thing..

If someone else in the same situation (performed a massive robbery and was implicated in the death of an innocent man but is now terminally ill and "no longer a danger to society") but was 50 years younger and didn't have the publicity team RB seems to have, would you be calling for him to be released, or would you be calling for him to die in jail?

I find it interesting that some of the people that are here calling for his release have been known to call for younger people committing the same crimes (remember, it was a violent robbery with a death involved) to rot in jail.

I agree with you Stuart, he committed the crime - he should pay the price, that being his freedom forever.

Good luck with the Jack Straw prosecution but I reckon he hasn't got a cats chance in hell when there is a proven innocent man (Michael Shields) whom Jack Straw won't pardon but thats another story in itself.

TheDaddy · 05-07-2009, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

People who think the RB should be released because he is ill and no longer a danger, I'd like to ask you one thing..

If someone else in the same situation (performed a massive robbery and was implicated in the death of an innocent man but is now terminally ill and "no longer a danger to society") but was 50 years younger and didn't have the publicity team RB seems to have, would you be calling for him to be released, or would you be calling for him to die in jail?

I find it interesting that some of the people that are here calling for his release have been known to call for younger people committing the same crimes (remember, it was a violent robbery with a death involved) to rot in jail.

and the younger guy couldn't walk, talk or eat, could die any day and had already served over 10 years of a punitive sentence for playing a minor role in the crime, err I'd have to say let him out as well.

**Maggy** · 05-07-2009, 17:34

So we can find Â£1.5 million to have a special old lags hospital but we can't build any more prisons...and we can't provide the same sort of luxury units on the NHS for the rest of our ageing upright honest citizens?

Arthurgray50@blu · 05-07-2009, 17:51

When this crime was comitted, it was safe for people to walk the streets, OAPs could lave there doors open, and villians had a respect for them, and the only people they ever maimed or murdered were there own kind, yes they comitted robberies, and some people got hurt.

In this day and age, you cannot walk down the streets, without being mugged, or raped, OAP walk in fear of there lifes, no one will ever get involved with helping someone out, we have RB still in prison, no harm to anyone, very ill and been moved to an OAPs unit in prison, to be supervised with other OAPs inside, what is wrong with people, when they say he should stay behind bars, we hear each day, people getting away with murder, phedos, getting away, child and police killers getting lenient sentences, to me it does not make sense, that this is allowed to happen, give the guy a break, or do people think, if he is released he will get in his wheelchair and rob the local newsagent - l doubt it.

punky · 05-07-2009, 18:00

Do you ever read your posts? Try it sometime.

I'm sorry but you're posting nonsense.

**Maggy** · 05-07-2009, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When this crime was comitted, it was safe for people to walk the streets, OAPs could lave there doors open, and villians had a respect for them, and the only people they ever maimed or murdered were there own kind, yes they comitted robberies, and some people got hurt.

In this day and age, you cannot walk down the streets, without being mugged, or raped, OAP walk in fear of there lifes, no one will ever get involved with helping someone out, we have RB still in prison, no harm to anyone, very ill and been moved to an OAPs unit in prison, to be supervised with other OAPs inside, what is wrong with people, when they say he should stay behind bars, we hear each day, people getting away with murder, phedos, getting away, child and police killers getting lenient sentences, to me it does not make sense, that this is allowed to happen, give the guy a break, or do people think, if he is released he will get in his wheelchair and rob the local newsagent - l doubt it.

Really?All of them are getting away with crimes? And yet we have prisons full to bursting with lags that are being punished all over the shop...and I don't want any of them to get less than the permitted sentence just because they are ill.

Sorry I have no love for the idea that the Krays & Co were just jolly old Robin Hoods who were having a larf really and weren't a danger to the public at all.It's a total fantasy because they were involved in a lot of violent crime and any bystanders were just as likely to be injured...like the nice Mr Mills who got bashed on the head.

jamiefrost · 05-07-2009, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When this crime was comitted, it was safe for people to walk the streets, OAPs could lave there doors open, and villians had a respect for them, and the only people they ever maimed or murdered were there own kind, yes they comitted robberies, and some people got hurt.

In this day and age, you cannot walk down the streets, without being mugged, or raped, OAP walk in fear of there lifes, no one will ever get involved with helping someone out, we have RB still in prison, no harm to anyone, very ill and been moved to an OAPs unit in prison, to be supervised with other OAPs inside, what is wrong with people, when they say he should stay behind bars, we hear each day, people getting away with murder, phedos, getting away, child and police killers getting lenient sentences, to me it does not make sense, that this is allowed to happen, give the guy a break, or do people think, if he is released he will get in his wheelchair and rob the local newsagent - l doubt it.

What complete steaming pile of ****, they only hurt their own kind. The Krays etc regulary assaulted people and did in fact murdered someone during course of their protection rackets.

I don't hear about murders 'getting away' with it every day, must be those papers your reading running stories only remotely rated to any facts.

RB, was part of a gang that commited a violent armed robbery, I just think he should serve his sentance.

Personally I don't think he should be getting free healthcare. He's paid
bugger all national insurance. He should be treated as other foreign nationals who don't qualiify for free treatmeeent and be charged. ( And yes I know for a FACT that they do get charged)

JJ

Stuart · 05-07-2009, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When this crime was comitted, it was safe for people to walk the streets, OAPs could lave there doors open, and villians had a respect for them, and the only people they ever maimed or murdered were there own kind, yes they comitted robberies, and some people got hurt.

Well, no, it wasn't. You are looking at the past through rose tinted glassess.

Remember the krays? Remember Mad Frankie Fraser? Before you start saying they only hurt their own, remember that their money came from somewhere and it probably wasn't other criminals.

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In this day and age, you cannot walk down the streets, without being mugged, or raped, OAP walk in fear of there lifes, no one will ever get involved with helping someone out, we have RB still in prison, no harm to anyone, very ill and been moved to an OAPs unit in prison, to be supervised with other OAPs inside, what is wrong with people, when they say he should stay behind bars, we hear each day, people getting away with murder, phedos, getting away, child and police killers getting lenient sentences, to me it does not make sense, that this is allowed to happen, give the guy a break, or do people think, if he is released he will get in his wheelchair and rob the local newsagent - l doubt it.

You are exaggerating slightly. I personally have never been mugged or raped despite going out on the streets most days. The nearest I have come is having my pocket picked, and even that was during the 80s. Also, people do not get away with Murder everyday. Nor do Paedos (that particular problem has not changed in several decades). Child and police killers do not get let off either. Remember, Juries decide who is guilty or not. Juries made up of people like you and me. Why would they think any differently to us?

On the other hand, the Papers have to make money and there is a strong perception within the media that good news does not sell as well as bad news. Think about that. When was the last time that you read in the papers that the police had caught a mugger? You hear when muggers strike.

Arthurgray50@blu · 05-07-2009, 19:28

All l am trying to say, is what can they guy do, he is very ill and cannot speak and depends on care, do you seriously want him to die in prison.

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Just think, l am soon going on hols, so thats a week, without my rants.

superbiatch · 05-07-2009, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

All l am trying to say, is what can they guy do, he is very ill and cannot speak and depends on care, do you seriously want him to die in prison.

Ian Brady's also on his last legs iirc from his years of hunger strike - would you let him out?

Have a nice break

punky · 05-07-2009, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Remember the krays? Remember Mad Frankie Fraser? Before you start saying they only hurt their own, remember that their money came from somewhere and it probably wasn't other criminals.

I think a lot of the shop owners in Bethnal Green, Hackney and Stepney who had to pay protection monies to Krays would agree.