Formula 1 2009 Season [may contain real time spoilers] - Page 27

mr_bo · 12-05-2009, 16:34

yep, shut the door on your way out

if they can't get it right now with the biggest budget they've got no hope with a capped budget, but no doubt the plans for capping will not surface into reality now.

Kymmy · 12-05-2009, 17:40

I think if Ferrari leaves it'll benefit the sport 1000%.... They're like some little rich kid who's pater is threatening to cut up thier credit cards!!!!!

hedgie · 12-05-2009, 17:59

After following motorsport and F1 in particular for 25 years I must confess to being confused by the budget cap proposals.

"The FIA will allow those teams that sign up to the budget cap to have increased technical freedom to make it easier to compete with the uncapped teams. This includes adjustable front and rear wings as well as an engine that can run without a rev limit.

In addition, the budget cap teams will be allowed unlimited testing outside of the racing season, and will not be restricted by the wind tunnel scale and speed stipulations "

As I understand it if you commit to spend less cash you can have more freedom to explore technical solutions with less testing restrictions and unlimited RPM. Not sure how that adds up? Do more and spend less? Discuss.........

I Suppose you have to focus on which areas give you the most bang for your buck.

Turkey Machine · 12-05-2009, 19:14

If it becomes 2-tier, I guess there's not much problem as we've had the same thing before! Remember the turbo vs non-turbo rule differences? Ferrari are just a spoilt little rich kid who are throwing their toys out of the pram. If they find one set of rules is markedly faster than the other, pick that, but don't say you'll quit because one side can spend more money than you. Geez....

Watched the Spanish GP yesterday, Rosberg should be far more aware of how fast he's going when off-track, as he caused the 4-car pileup. Trulli could have done more to either stay off-track while others screamed past or remain further in control. Still, at least we know the cars are still as strong as ever. Alonso and Webber's antics down the main straight were fantastic! For Webber to get a podium was also very good. I am very surprised however that Barrichello wasn't switched to a 2 stopper like Button was, as he should have easily won that race.

rogerdraig · 12-05-2009, 21:00

i doubt it will be able to survive with out them especially if they go off with other manufacturers and set up their own world series that was mooted a few years back

the budget cap may seem they way to go in this time of tightening belts but F1 has always been about the cutting edge of technology and i cant see that being the case with limited budgets

they may as well go to a single car and engine with money spent on developing better fuel and engine for next year i doubt that could be any more boring lol

half the interest at the moment is to see what new bit of kit the old front running teams can come up with to make up ground

i for one will be much less likely to watch ( especially the early morning ones ) next year if they do leave

but i think this will just be a bargaining tool to get better ideas for what to do rather than budget caps or the two tier system proposed

Hom3r · 12-05-2009, 21:10

I am willing to bet that FIA will back down, think how many fan they have.

Plus Max and the poison dwarf will never be able to set foot in Italy either.

tcbass · 13-05-2009, 12:28

At the moment only Brawn Force India and Williams have said they are ok with it.
Toyota and Red Bull has said they will have to strongly consider their future participation, and have talked about quitting as well, should a 2-tier championship be created.
I don't think BMW, Renault and McLaren are to keen on it either. McLaren might be a bit too scared to say anything at the moment as they are a bit preoccupied sucking up to the FIA at the moment after their latest sting of shenanigans.

Wonder how F1 would be with a handful of teams ... maybe Force India can score some points. How exciting ...

What I do know is that Max has been slowly destroying the sport I love over the last few years, and this will be the final nail in the coffin, should it be forced through.

Edit:

Renault:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=37895
Toyota:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=37858
Red Bull:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=37886

Lets hope the door don't hit them on the back on their way out as well then shall we...

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=37893

Flyboy · 13-05-2009, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by tcbass

Lets hope the door don't hit them on the back on their way out as well then shall we...

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=37893

Interesting list, but where is Reubens? Has Brawn not confirmed his contract for next year?

CHiLL · 13-05-2009, 19:45

Renault have now joined Ferrari saying they'll leave the sport at the end of the 2009 season if the budget isn't reviewed.

This is causing the sport more problems than its solving, so its not really benefiting. I remember Toyota mentioning not long after the budget was announced they would pull out if it is kept.

If it goes ahead, that's 3 teams out, leading for another 6 to join. I can't see another 6 teams joining. I can't see another 3 to be honest.

Add the whole medals system into this for 2010...its starting to become a joke.

SnoopZ · 13-05-2009, 20:03

Red Bull have also said they will pull out too unless the Â£40 million cap is shelved.

Source: BBC Sport

Kymmy · 13-05-2009, 20:57

I think the cap is a good idea, but not if it's gonna be a 2 tier system... Make the cap compulsory for everyone and that'll even a few things up..

Hom3r · 13-05-2009, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHiLL

Renault have now joined Ferrari saying they'll leave the sport at the end of the 2009 season if the budget isn't reviewed.

This is causing the sport more problems than its solving, so its not really benefiting. I remember Toyota mentioning not long after the budget was announced they would pull out if it is kept.

If it goes ahead, that's 3 teams out, leading for another 6 to join. I can't see another 6 teams joining. I can't see another 3 to be honest.

Add the whole medals system into this for 2010...its starting to become a joke.

I heard 3 teams are joining next year, one being a US based team with a woman driver.

MovedGoalPosts · 13-05-2009, 21:23

If costs are capped it will make it easier for new teams to enter. But, in the current economic climate how many people are going to stat a venture that is all about spending money rather than making it

CHiLL · 13-05-2009, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I heard 3 teams are joining next year, one being a US based team with a woman driver.

The number of cars of the grid is increasing from 20 to 26 for the 2010 season, allowing the entrance of 3 new teams. That American race team made it very public that they wanted to enter with their female driver, so I'd expect to see them next year. Pro Drive could also be another team, as they have had interest in the past couple of years, only not entering due to trouble with all that Spy stuff IIRC.

That's 2 of the 3 teams. But if Ferrari, Red Bull, Renault and Toyota do quit, that's an extra 5 spaces, which I don't think anyone could fill.

I'm all for saving money especially in the current economic climate, but it is starting to tear the sport apart.

sherer · 14-05-2009, 12:21

the problem with F1 is that you have the FIA making up rules the teams don't want so that FOM can take the teams to circuits they don't want to race at. There comes a point where the teams end up saying we want these rules and we want to race in these places and with no say in that asking them to race against two different sets of rules was always going to cause something like this.