Pandemic (Swine) Flu

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by STONEISLAND

I'd much rarther trust a professor then YOU who has no qualifications on the subject and clearly as displays knows nothing on the matter.

How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!!


Are you sure your not here to wined people up?

A couple of points.

1) You don't know what qualifications Chaos has. He could be medically qualified. Of course, we don't even know if he is actually a he..

2) I don't believe Chaos said he did know. He said "If they order"

[Russ]

Originally Posted by chaos23

Why would you get wound up? All i am doing is providing a different angle to all of this.

The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by STONEISLAND

chaos on GMTV this morning they had a professor on it who know all about this pandemic he said the mask are useless against this flu.

You saying he is wrong?

Well, the mask prevents you from breathing the virus in, but it needs to be used in conjunction with hand washing.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by chaos23

No i dont think so. The WHO say themselves this is a very serious situation. They still think it could mutate into a more dangerous virus.

Oh dear.

If I recall correctly wasn't HIV supposed to be a man made virus too? Again not a particularly good effort.

Was SARS man made? how about H5N1?

Or is every Virus man made according to you???

The chances are this swine flu, SARS, Bird Flu have been around for thousands of years. The only difference between now and then is our ability to travel to anywhere on the globe within 24hrs.

If this virus had broken out two hundred years ago (which it probably has) the chances are it would have been a localised infection and not got out of the village.

If an Englishmen had caught it, by the time he had reached home he'd either be better or dead.

It's just flu, a nasty one, but if your fit and healthy chances are you'll be ok.

Do some research. there have been 150 or so deaths. So what?

http://www.uvig.org/faqsheets/flu.asp

Even in non-epidemic years as many as 3,000 to 4,000 excess deaths are attributable to flu in the UK.3 During epidemics this level is much higher - for example during the epidemic of 1989-90 there were almost 30,000 excess deaths in Great Britain attributable to flu4

That's from the UK Vaccine Industry- every year as many as UK 3 to 4 thousand deaths are attributable to flu.

I don't see people running round with masks thinkjing it's the end of the world every year???

Get a grip and get real.

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by chaos23

Why would you get wound up? All i am doing is providing a different angle to all of this.

???? By insulting members?

Originally Posted by chaos23

I am not interested in your immaturity.

Anyway I dont want an the biggest infraction so I will leave it there.

Originally Posted by Russ B

The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.

The thing is if hypothetically speaking if this was really really bad those in power would want to keep a lid on it as long as humanly possible.

Again hypothetically . Imagine if this virus was deliberately released by some group that knows it will start off mild lull people into a false sense of security knowing it will mutate within a couple of months into something much worse. Imagine the gov know this and start to put things in place ie what Bender said early in the thread. We all convince ourselves everything is ok until one day reports come in about a few deaths that reveiled similar symptoms but much worse and so on.
The virus is out in the open in this country . The Scottish couple were out in the open for a while who knows who they passed it onto ? Someone they met might feel a little rough now but goes to work in some kinda distribution plant comes in contact with delivery drivers who are traveling all over the country within a week its everywhere.

As I said I do not think its the case just thought I would write a worst case senario

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by chaos23

Well, the mask prevents you from breathing the virus in, but it needs to be used in conjunction with hand washing.

The virus can leak in from the sides , when the mask is damp (from condensation) it makes the virus stick to it thus making it USELESS!

Nothing to do with washing hands. You are better of not bothering with the mask and just being vigilant on washing hands etc.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by Russ B

The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.

There is some circumstancial evidence though. I will list it below.

The Anthrax attacks after 9/11 - traced to a government lab:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...x-attacks.html

Dr says Swine Flu made in lab

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...h_director.php


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wk...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA

[jamiefrost]

The FFP3 masks make an air tight seal (all long as you don't have a beard) they then filter the air down to micron level. The valve on the from of most masks is to alleviate heat and condensation.

The main factor to consider is how long the protection lasts for, after hours of wearing they must become loaded with virus. I think that they would mainly be used for health workers or other people inder constant exposure. I don't know but I assume that a number of masks would be needed to last a day.

The surgical masks seen on TV are of no help for protection. But they do help reduce the amount of virus passed into the air if you are a carrier. This is why Japanese people where masks when suffering from a cold as they see it as a common courtesy.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by STONEISLAND

The virus can leak in from the sides , when the mask is damp (from condensation) it makes the virus stick to it thus making it USELESS!

Nothing to do with washing hands. You are better of not bothering with the mask and just being vigilant on washing hands etc.

I think the governments chief medical advisor knows more than you do.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

There are still people alive from 1918

But do they have a living memory?

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by chaos23

I think the governments chief medical advisor knows more than you do.

And I think the professor on GMTV knows more then YOU, I’m just repeating what he has said

This is really getting stupid and so many people are starting to over react it is beyond a joke now. Bender with all due respect m8 this allocation of mass grave sites and preparation for a epidemic may be new to your partner but it is not new in terms of happening it has been going on for a very long time. Seriously this is done as a matter of routine and the fact it is happening does not in anyway shape or form point to the government knowing something we don't.

As for our resident persistent theorist come on people you should all know better by now then to get involved in any attempt at debate as no chance of a rational one exists and never will do. Right now there is more danger from the over reaction of people then there is from this virus and the media should back off before they start something they can't control there really is no need whatsoever to panic or even unduly worry at this time about this.

So far there have been some deaths in mexico and no where else when people start dropping routinely after catching this i might change my mind but right now it is life as normal.

Some sensible advice

And this chap has some good guidelines

(imho)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by chaos23

There is some circumstancial evidence though. I will list it below.

The Anthrax attacks after 9/11 - traced to a government lab:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...x-attacks.html

Dr says Swine Flu made in lab

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...h_director.php


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wk...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA

Haven't noticed anyone dying of it outside of Mexico though. Obviously all those deaths are a tragedy but the virus seems to be failing quite badly at any sort of population control.