Permanent Limitation?

[DABhand]

The seed is capable I know of, of 256KB/s upload, and had no problems in the past with previous episodes as soon as he uploaded the torrent.

One problem of course is the greedy punters who get and immediately decide they wont share.

But as said the seed is more than capable of fast seeding

[Stabhappy]

fast seeding yes, but again, hes probably not superseeding.

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Stabhappy

fast seeding yes, but again, hes probably not superseeding.

Quick seeding > Peers receive fast > Peers send out quicker to other peers

Again thats the beauty of torrents, that they are able to complete if parts are available when no seed is online.

[broadbandking]

So do you know every peer and what there upload is don't forget they are uploading to other people than you, leave it running and it should pick up speed and how can this be a Virgin issue.

If your speeds are that bad you could try paying for your downloads from say itunes

[DABhand]

115 peer's is more than capable of sending faster than a collective 25KB/s.

As another example, just to test speeds, I noticed GTA4 (I dont agree with warez users but in this case a 1hr test was needed and this had a nice amount of seeds to peer ration) so grabbed for a 1hr test.

400 seeds, 2000 peers...

Connected to 80 seeds and 40 peers... speed = 50KB/s

(and before people say blah blah open ports etc... Yes I have)

That is a disgrace somethings are not right here you see :P

And bbk, you said leave it running it should pick up speed it was downloading already for 8 hrs (the tv show not GTA4 - which was deleted after 1 hr test well the little data that was downloaded)..

As a further test... I also have got in recently A Be line, as I was planning to goto them originally for the 2nd time, so I have both 20mb VM and Be line at the moment, on Be the GTA4 re-1hr test was going at 450KB/s to start with after a couple of minutes.

With the same settings etc as before. (again deleted after 1hr testing)

So yes VM need their asses kicked

[broadbandking]

Virgin can't control your torrents, with torrents its pot luck who you connect to

[DABhand]

Agreed that is true. But...

The collective should have been faster than it was on the 20mb line.

I am sure that peers are more than capable of sending around at least 5KB/s to other peers yes?

Unless each and every single one of them only set a poor 1KB/s upload speed globally, which I seriously doubt

[Turkey Machine]

Get over it! I don't bitch and moan about the fact I have one particular torrent with 100-odd connections to me (8 seeds, 105 peers) as I speak on a 10Mbit connection, and I'm getting less than 100KB/sec - it averages about 50-60KB/sec. Some torrents you get quick, others you don't. Understand the tech before you go bashing VM for something they officially don't do *at this stage* (throttle BitTorrent).

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

Get over it! I don't bitch and moan about the fact I have one particular torrent with 100-odd connections to me (8 seeds, 105 peers) as I speak on a 10Mbit connection, and I'm getting less than 100KB/sec - it averages about 50-60KB/sec. Some torrents you get quick, others you don't. Understand the tech before you go bashing VM for something they officially don't do *at this stage* (throttle BitTorrent).

I do understand the workings of a bittorrent client. I also understand how the swarms work, how peers work in a bittorrent environment, how the overall networking works.

You obviously need to read up on it, before suggesting I dont understand it. Which you haven't and at no time did I say VM throttled it, I am talking about the poor service which is not upto scratch that is capable enough to deal with the many connections at the one time.

If people cant see the fact that VM are not giving customers a good service they promised to give then so be it. But when people come into threads and start throwing the "Understand the workings" excuse when they clearly dont, then imho you deserve to have the poor service your getting.

[Raistlin]

Step away from the thread, and the attitudes, guys.....please.

[DABhand]

Sorry Rob, im just trying to point out inadequencies on VM side, but if you dont agree with the masses... I guess you become a target

[Turkey Machine]

Originally Posted by DABhand

I do understand the workings of a bittorrent client. I also understand how the swarms work, how peers work in a bittorrent environment, how the overall networking works.

You obviously need to read up on it, before suggesting I dont understand it. Which you haven't and at no time did I say VM throttled it, I am talking about the poor service which is not upto scratch that is capable enough to deal with the many connections at the one time.

If people cant see the fact that VM are not giving customers a good service they promised to give then so be it. But when people come into threads and start throwing the "Understand the workings" excuse when they clearly dont, then imho you deserve to have the poor service your getting.

Sorry, at what point did I say I was getting a poor service? I thrash this 10Mbit connection day and night (it's shared between 5 or 6 people in a flat), torrents, downloads, gaming etc, and most of the time I get 10Mbit apart from when it's throttled. You (obviously) are unhappy with the service you're getting, and unfortunately I can't exactly help you apart from tell you to, say, move to another ISP! Be* for instance.

To give an example of where you're wrong, I have had a couple of torrents overnight recently which, when run concurrently, garnered 1MB-ish/sec (I have 10Mbit available to me). I had about 80 seeds and 100 peers connected at once on that one torrent (and the other one which I started later on pulled 150 seeds and 140 peers), on top of those which I was already seeding (some 100-odd torrents, of which I think around 20 were uploading at any one time, with 1-3 peers connected to me), and the torrent being downloaded finished in about an hour (big F1 nut is I), the other one finished in a little under 5 minutes. [Separately to that, I have successfully hosted a 19-client gaming server on a 2Mbit M service with an ntl 250 modem, so I know the newer modems are more than capable of handling many connections. I received no complaints about ping, in fact they were pleasantly surprised it was so good!] So don't go blaming VM for everything, because they do give me a reasonably good service, and I can't complain especially when I thrash the connection nearly every night. But do by all means go blaming your client / router / modem / NIC, because any one of those could be a problem, be it incorrectly configured BitTorrent clients, just plain wrong system configuration, broken drivers, broken chipsets, dying hardware / cables, etc...

You cannot lay the blame squarely at VMs door, when by your own admission others work fine. What you can do is reduce the number of connections allowed in your torrent client. Mine is currently set at 500 per torrent, with a maximum of 2000 global BitTorrent connections, and 100 upload slots per torrent. I know it won't hit that (2k), or even remotely get close to that, but if I put what it could get (200), I know it would be substantially less than that.

Not everyone in a swarm is connected to your machine. For an example of a currently running torrent which is about 350KB/sec *average* at this particular moment, there are 9 of 112 seeds connected to me and vice versa, and 95 of 604 peers connected to me and vice versa. People do limit their upload speeds, people cheat with clients connected, which is why I expressly prohibit those using BitLord / BitComet / BitTornado to connect to me as a peer / seed by banning those IPs in ipfilter.dat. Again, you can't lay the blame squarely at VM, even though you'd like to. There are many other factors to consider, and a one-minded view does you no good, and doesn't help others either.

EDIT: Apologies Rob, just trying to clear things up. Spent a while writing that post!!!

[DABhand]

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

Sorry, at what point did I say I was getting a poor service? I thrash this 10Mbit connection day and night (it's shared between 5 or 6 people in a flat), torrents, downloads, gaming etc, and most of the time I get 10Mbit apart from when it's throttled. You (obviously) are unhappy with the service you're getting, and unfortunately I can't exactly help you apart from tell you to, say, move to another ISP! Be* for instance.

To give an example of where you're wrong, I have had a couple of torrents overnight recently which, when run concurrently, garnered 1MB-ish/sec (I have 10Mbit available to me). I had about 80 seeds and 100 peers connected at once on that one torrent (and the other one which I started later on pulled 150 seeds and 140 peers), on top of those which I was already seeding (some 100-odd torrents, of which I think around 20 were uploading at any one time, with 1-3 peers connected to me), and the torrent being downloaded finished in about an hour (big F1 nut is I), the other one finished in a little under 5 minutes. [Separately to that, I have successfully hosted a 19-client gaming server on a 2Mbit M service with an ntl 250 modem, so I know the newer modems are more than capable of handling many connections. I received no complaints about ping, in fact they were pleasantly surprised it was so good!] So don't go blaming VM for everything, because they do give me a reasonably good service, and I can't complain especially when I thrash the connection nearly every night. But do by all means go blaming your client / router / modem / NIC, because any one of those could be a problem, be it incorrectly configured BitTorrent clients, just plain wrong system configuration, broken drivers, broken chipsets, dying hardware / cables, etc...

You cannot lay the blame squarely at VMs door, when by your own admission others work fine. What you can do is reduce the number of connections allowed in your torrent client. Mine is currently set at 500 per torrent, with a maximum of 2000 global BitTorrent connections, and 100 upload slots per torrent. I know it won't hit that (2k), or even remotely get close to that, but if I put what it could get (200), I know it would be substantially less than that.

Not everyone in a swarm is connected to your machine. For an example of a currently running torrent which is about 350KB/sec *average* at this particular moment, there are 9 of 112 seeds connected to me and vice versa, and 95 of 604 peers connected to me and vice versa. People do limit their upload speeds, people cheat with clients connected, which is why I expressly prohibit those using BitLord / BitComet / BitTornado to connect to me as a peer / seed by banning those IPs in ipfilter.dat. Again, you can't lay the blame squarely at VM, even though you'd like to. There are many other factors to consider, and a one-minded view does you no good, and doesn't help others either.

EDIT: Apologies Rob, just trying to clear things up. Spent a while writing that post!!!

I did not say others work fine on the VM connection, please do read what is said. Which you haven't or you would notice I have both VM and Be.

Yeah im sure your torrents did well, but your not on my UBR are you. Aha. So no im not wrong, Im giving the facts of what is going on with me. And the OP has had problems too.

I never said everyone in a swarm is connected to me at all times, (Why do people come up with these fantasy things I supposedly say) again please do read. I said I understand how Swarms work... jeez louise.

And FYI I have a global 750 conn's connected at one time. Only 2 torrents active at one time, 250 seeds if possible and 125 peears per torrent.

[Turkey Machine]

Oh FFS, it's like talking to a brick wall! You haven't mentioned your UBR at all, so you could well be on the same one as me!

And if you connect to a torrent with 1 seed and many peers, expect a low download speed, unless the poor sod's using a seedbox.

[Stabhappy]

If you honestly think VM are artificially limiting your torrent throughput, grab Ubuntu using torrent and watch it hit 2.4MB/s.