The existence of God - Page 85

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Gary L

No. should I?

So you think that's acceptable behaviour for a teenage girl? What if was your daughter or your sister?

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Am I sorry she has God in her life? No. Am I sorry her life is being restricted to the point of her never knowing what a normal teenager's upbringing is like? Yes.

What he said.

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Am I sorry she has God in her life? No. Am I sorry her life is being restricted to the point of her never knowing what a normal teenager's upbringing is like? Yes.

Ok I'll be more specific. are you sorry that she has been force fed God from birth. and that she thinks that unless she has God in her life she will go to hell?

That is what she thinks. she said it in the film.

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 10:38

We have seen 1 hours edit out of 100 hours filming; you are asking us to comment on a sub-set which will have been chosen for it's "news-worthiness".

Also, what are we supposed to be "sorry" for? The way someone else brings up their children? Should I be apologetic for the fact that some parents in South Yorkshire brought up their children in a way that led to the violent assault on two other young children?

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 10:40

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

So you think that's acceptable behaviour for a teenage girl? What if was your daughter or your sister?

It's normal behaviour for a drunken girl. it might not be acceptable, but it's normal.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

We have seen 1 hours edit out of 100 hours filming; you are asking us to comment on a sub-set which will have been chosen for it's "news-worthiness".

I'm asking you to comment on what she herself said. not an edited version of what she said.

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Gary L

It's normal behaviour for a drunken girl. it might not be acceptable, but it's normal.

Might be in your friends and family, buddy, but not in mine.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm asking you to comment on what she herself said. not an edited version of what she said.

I'll type slowly, so you understand...
a) what you saw was an edited version, cut down from 100 hours to 1 hour
b) Why do I (or others) have to be sorry for someone else's action?

btw, I don't agree with the way she has been brought up (home-schooling, little exposure to the "real world"), but then again, you probably don't agree with the way I have brought my children up (C of E schools, no TV in the bedrooms, etc).

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 10:52

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Might be in your friends and family, buddy, but not in mine.

I think you are forgetting that the girl was drunk. so are you saying that it's not normal to get drunk in your family, or that when someone in your family is drunk it's not normal for them to ask someone to sign their boobs?
So you want me to say it's not acceptable (which I did) and it's not normal? (which it is)
will that make you feel like you've won something if I did?

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I'll type slowly, so you understand...
a) what you saw was an edited version, cut down from 100 hours to 1 hour

Was it exactly 100 hours, or was it a bit more? link?
Is what she said not the truth. did she really say the opposite and they may have edited it to make it sound like she said it?

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b) Why do I (or others) have to be sorry for someone else's action?

Deborah as a child. not her parents and how they are, but Deborah herself.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

btw, I don't agree with the way she has been brought up (home-schooling, little exposure to the "real world"), but then again, you probably don't agree with the way I have brought my children up (C of E schools, no TV in the bedrooms, etc).

What about being taught about Jesus every other day of their lives for the last 13 years?
Do you think as a Father, that Deborah is a scared girl?

Russ · 17-04-2009, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L

What about being taught about Jesus every other day of their lives for the last 13 years?

Nothing wrong with that. I see my daughter twice a week and I phone her most days/evenings too. Whenever possible I mention Jesus to her in some way, not something I find difficult as she goes to a Christian-based school and they're in the middle of teaching them basic Bible studies at the moment. When she stays over I make sure she prays to God as well. No-one should ever feel ashamed or embarrassed about having Jesus in their children's lives.

However what I am not comfortable with is parents bombarding a child's life with any specific subject or matter which encroaches on their development and restricts their ability to have a normal upbringing.

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Russ B

However what I am not comfortable with is parents bombarding a child's life with any specific subject or matter which encroaches on their development and restricts their ability to have a normal upbringing.

Again, what he said.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I think you are forgetting that the girl was drunk. so are you saying that it's not normal to get drunk in your family, or that when someone in your family is drunk it's not normal for them to ask someone to sign their boobs?
So you want me to say it's not acceptable (which I did) and it's not normal? (which it is)
will that make you feel like you've won something if I did?

It's not normal to ask to have boobs signed, imho.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Was it exactly 100 hours, or was it a bit more? link?

That's what Deborah states on her blog

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Is what she said not the truth. did she really say the opposite and they may have edited it to make it sound like she said it?

Once again, you seem to have missed the point - if 99% of what was filmed was not shown, perhaps (and only perhaps, because one should be open to all possibilities) it didn't show where she qualified this in some way? Having been filmed for political programmes, I have first hand experience where they miss out parts of what filmed to make it "more interesting".

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 11:31

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

It's not normal to ask to have boobs signed, imho.

It is when she's drunk and there's a camera crew around.
it's not as if she was going around to everyone asking the same question. it just wouldn't happen. and I don't even know why we are even discussing it really when it doesn't really have anything to do with much.

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Once again, you seem to have missed the point

No, it's just you and your point you are trying to make that isn't really relevant to the question/s being asked.

DRZ400 · 17-04-2009, 11:38

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

I'll type slowly, so you understand...
a) what you saw was an edited version, cut down from 100 hours to 1 hour

Unfortunately .... There's no other way to make television programs.

The fact of the matter is she is a very disturbed little girl as a result of having God rammed down her throat 24/7 for 13 years.

I shall type VERY SLOWLY for you to understand but I can guarantee you won't .... THIS IS WHAT BRAINWASHING DOES. Given time, you can make anyone believe in anything, no matter how ridiculous. ie God.

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 11:43

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

Unfortunately .... There's no other way to make television programs.

The fact of the matter is she is a very disturbed little girl as a result of having God rammed down her throat 24/7 for 13 years.

I shall type VERY SLOWLY for you to understand but I can guarantee you won't .... THIS IS WHAT BRAINWASHING DOES. Given time, you can make anyone believe in anything, no matter how ridiculous. ie God.

Mmmmmm - brainwashing.
"Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or reeducation) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person â€” beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge" - oh, the irony.

It must be that which makes people polemical, close-minded and unwilling to see others viewpoints, and use emotive perjorative language to make their points.......

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 11:43

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

Unfortunately .... There's no other way to make television programs.

The fact of the matter is she is a very disturbed little girl as a result of having God rammed down her throat 24/7 for 13 years.

I shall type VERY SLOWLY for you to understand but I can guarantee you won't .... THIS IS WHAT BRAINWASHING DOES. Given time, you can make anyone believe in anything, no matter how ridiculous. ie God.

That is the truth of it really. she has been brainwashed. be it God or anything else. nobody really can say that this isn't what has happened to her.

She had no way of refusing it. and some people will say that it's not a bad thing. because it's God that she has been taught.

**Hugh** · 17-04-2009, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That is the truth of it really. she has been brainwashed. be it God or anything else. nobody really can say that this isn't what has happened to her.

She had no way of refusing it. and some people will say that it's not a bad thing. because it's God that she has been taught.

And some people would disagree, as has been stated in this thread.

Gary L · 17-04-2009, 11:48

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And some people would disagree, as has been stated in this thread.

Do you think she is scared?

She said that she's scared of going to heaven and being told that she's been bad and has to go to hell where there's gnashing teeth.

She was asked "what if heaven doesn't exist" she said she'll die and go to the grave, and it'll be a waste of her life.

Something else she said to her older brother.
She said something about it's ok to dance and have fun, and he said yeh but what if Jesus was there he wouldn't like to see us dancing and having fun (something like that)

She then agreed with him.

DRZ400 · 17-04-2009, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That is the truth of it really. she has been brainwashed. be it God or anything else. nobody really can say that this isn't what has happened to her.

Russ B and foreverwar have no argument against that comment and will no doubt ignore like they've done with all the other challenging questions put to them in this thread.