Driving ban question - Page 2

superbiatch · 11-04-2009, 09:38

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Originally Posted by WHISTLED

Having some oexperience (from mate I should add)..

This is what would have had to happen..

Pulled over and failed breath test,
Arrested and taken to the police station, second breath test failed
Charged with being under the influence and bailed to appear before magistrates at a later date (unlikely next day by appointment?!)
Appears before magistrates given points and a 12 month+ ban

I was a witness to a drink driver last January and it still hasn't gone to court, although i think its down to the CPS dragging their feet. I have to go and ID the guy next week at a local police station.

This guy wasn't driving the car when arrested, he'd got himself home but i was so worried about his driving i took it on myself to phone the police and give them his registration. I never expected to hear anything again, how wrong i was! As i'd given them the make/model and reg no, they basically had all the info they needed to go to his house, and when he answered the door the policeman told me he was completed intoxicated. They breathalysed him there and then and performed a few tests on the car to prove it had been used recently, temperature of oil etc.

The guy was Polish and didn't speak very good English and he was 2.5 times over the limit. He was arrested immediately and the police came back to me that night and took thorough statements.

After initially admitting it, he's now gone back and said he hadn't been driving - obviously someone has made him aware the police have to prove he was in the car, which is where i come in. I hope to god i remember his face, but somehow i think it will come flooding back when i see his face as he nearly ran me off the road twice before mounting the kerb

WHISTLED · 11-04-2009, 09:52

I was behind someone on my way to work last week that I suspect was hammered, turned right onto a road from a turning left position, that caused them to mount the kerb and most of the pavement when they got in front of me, then driving at 15-20 MPH which drives me mental!

The best bit was when they decided to overtake a bus on a long corner, but not to accelerate in doing so.. Barely got in front before hitting oncoming cars. My bird was freaking

blackthorn · 11-04-2009, 10:39

Ok, thanks for all this info everybody. When our company purchased these vehicles, we did ask if it was necessary for the drivers to have a driveing license. They checked with our insurers who said no they didnt need one. One of companys rules though is all drivers must be over 25 (which he is, so thats ok). Although the insurers said a license wasnt needed, myself and the manager said we would prefer to only use drivers who had a license.All the staff except this one person brought in their licenses for us to copy, he kept telling us he couldnt find it and he was going to get dvlc to send him a replacement.
This is where my suspicions creep in ,that he hasnt got a license, he does (or he did before this happened) drive his own car to work everyday, so nobody was concerned or worried too much about seeing his license because he seemed a capable driver and as I said, the insurers said nobody really needed one.
He defintely had a current mot. I know this because the garage who looks after our other site vehicles, done the mot on his car, ( we get discount on mots and work needed on personal cars

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He certainly has insurance because his sister who works for us also, keeps hold of all his documents for him and has (unofficially shown us the insurance document).
Now, after thinking more on this, my thoughts are with this scenario.
His wife, who also happens to work for us, left work at 5pm and got the bus from work to the local supermarket. Got her shopping and then our guy (who was off sick that day, thats why he didnt pick her up from work) picked her up from the supermarket. ( that bit is definitly true, the next is guesswork) A police car who was in the area scanned his number plate (do the police in ordinary cars carry anpr scanners ? ) and got the info that the car was registered to someone who didnt have a license, followed him home and asked for his documents. Would having no license mean taking your car away ?
Does any of this make sense.

Derek · 11-04-2009, 10:43

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Originally Posted by blackthorn

(do the police in ordinary cars carry anpr scanners ? ) and got the info that the car was registered to someone who didnt have a license, followed him home and asked for his documents.

Possible. Depending where you live the local force might have more ANPR cars out and about or static sites where the information would ping up. Either that or someone smelt alcohol, saw his driving was a bit erratic and called the Police.

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Originally Posted by blackthorn

Would having no license mean taking your car away ?

Yep. No license or insurance and your car is removed under Section 165 of the Road Traffic Act.

Kymmy · 11-04-2009, 10:54

So he never had a licence before all this which means he basically lied to you?? You don't need to prove you have a licence to insure/MOT/tax a car... Personally I'd get rid of him instantly..and next time if you have a policy of needing a licence then surely someone shouldn't be allowed ina vehicle before they have shown thiers..No excuses as it's your insurance/job/company on the line if something goes wrong

Gary L · 11-04-2009, 10:55

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Originally Posted by blackthorn

Would having no license mean taking your car away ?

If he has no licence he can't get insurance. so the car he's stopped in can be taken away.
I'd say it was up to you if you still want him to drive for the company.

Wayfair · 11-04-2009, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Gary L

If he has no licence he can't get insurance. so the car he's stopped in can be taken away.
I'd say it was up to you if you still want him to drive for the company.

They don't ask for your licence details when you apply for insurance only when you make a claim, so you can have apply and pay for insurance but it would be invalid if ever needed, although he could of had insurance for a car he owns while being a provisional licence holder.

Gary L · 11-04-2009, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Wayfair

They don't ask for your licence details when you apply for insurance only when you make a claim, so you can have apply and pay for insurance but it would be invalid if ever needed, although he could of had insurance for a car he owns while being a provisional licence holder.

But if he's still a provisional and he's the only occupant of the car when stopped?

**Hugh** · 11-04-2009, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Wayfair

They don't ask for your licence details when you apply for insurance only when you make a claim, so you can have apply and pay for insurance but it would be invalid if ever needed, although he could of had insurance for a car he owns while being a provisional licence holder.

They do ask for licence details when you apply for car insurance (is your licence full or provisional, and how long have you held the licence).

Gary L · 11-04-2009, 11:17

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

They do ask for licence details when you apply for car insurance (is your licence full or provisional, and how long have you held the licence).

I think he means that you don't have to show proof, and still get an insurance policy. although it will be invalid anyway.

Kymmy · 11-04-2009, 11:18

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

They do ask for licence details when you apply for car insurance (is your licence full or provisional, and how long have you held the licence).

This really does confuse me...

I've held a full licence for 20 years (motorcycle) yet only passed my car test about 4 years ago...

Yet the car insurance people only ever ask how long I've had a FULL licence for (not a full Catagory B licence)

Which should I answer..20years or 4 year??

Gary L · 11-04-2009, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Which should I answer..20years or 4 year??

Wouldn't that depend on if you were requesting a quote for a bike or a car?

**Hugh** · 11-04-2009, 11:21

I would check, but if you are going for Car Insurance, 4 years.

Kymmy · 11-04-2009, 11:28

Why then doesn;t the question specify FULL CAR LICENCE...instead it always just asks for FULL LICENCE... which before I passed my car test I held a full licence...

There's no difference between a full car licence and a full motorcycle licence apart from a catagory..

It's just all so confusing

Anyway before I drag this more off-topic I've asked in one of the motorcycle forums I belong to as one of the other mods is an insurance journalist

Gary L · 11-04-2009, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Why then doesn;t the question specify FULL CAR LICENCE...instead it always just asks for FULL LICENCE... which before I passed my car test I held a full licence...

I'm sure it says something like how long held for this particular type of vehice. it will probably transpire that they've been undercharging you. so be prepared to get your purse out