Formula 1 2009 Season [may contain real time spoilers] - Page 21

sherer · 06-04-2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

I don't know, but it's not only about selling cars. It's also about getting the sponsors names into as many countries as possible.

Also, there is the cost of hosting a race. Singapore and Bahrain can afford to do so. Can the european countries who aren't hosting one afford to? Can any of the countries hosting one afford to host two?

that does seem to be the problem FOM \ Bernie just seem to want to get as much money as they can so they turn up in places no one wants to go and with no fans there at all.

What would be better is to have most of the series in Europe \ US \ South America and then during the winter they can run the same cars in Asia \ Middle East as the Winter Championship open to new \ young drivers only. They get more revenue and can then lower the race hosting fees

hedgie · 06-04-2009, 14:57

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Originally Posted by sherer

that does seem to be the problem FOM \ Bernie just seem to want to get as much money as they can so they turn up in places no one wants to go and with no fans there at all.

What would be better is to have most of the series in Europe \ US \ South America and then during the winter they can run the same cars in Asia \ Middle East as the Winter Championship open to new \ young drivers only. They get more revenue and can then lower the race hosting fees

No No No you have spoilt a rational argument by using Bernie and the phrase "lower the...... fees" together. Does not compute !

Anyway is the winter series thing what A1GP is all about with races from October to May. Trouble is trying to get fans to engage with it as a concept.

http://www.a1gp.com/About/WhatIsA1GP.aspx

Pierre · 06-04-2009, 16:20

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Originally Posted by hedgie

No No No you have spoilt a rational argument by using Bernie and the phrase "lower the...... fees" together. Does not compute !

Anyway is the winter series thing what A1GP is all about with races from October to May. Trouble is trying to get fans to engage with it as a concept.

http://www.a1gp.com/About/WhatIsA1GP.aspx

The problem with A1 GP, is that it's not F1.

jellybaby · 06-04-2009, 18:29

Looks like Mclaren may still have a problem...

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The McLaren team are expected to face disciplinary charges after being found guilty of misleading race stewards following the Australian Grand Prix.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7985669.stm

sherer · 06-04-2009, 18:32

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Originally Posted by hedgie

No No No you have spoilt a rational argument by using Bernie and the phrase "lower the...... fees" together. Does not compute !

Anyway is the winter series thing what A1GP is all about with races from October to May. Trouble is trying to get fans to engage with it as a concept.

http://www.a1gp.com/About/WhatIsA1GP.aspx

well A1GP is a winter series but it isn't as professional, the driver standards are lower, the cars are slower as it just isn't F1. Holding a F1 winter championship would help new drivers get into the sport as with testing banned they can only drive a car in a straight line now.

It would send out a better message to the environment as instead of building a car for 18 weekends and 4 tests a year they can now be used all year round,plus it will bring in more money

hedgie · 08-04-2009, 15:20

Dont get me wrong I agree with what you are trying to suggest..

It would kill A1GP though. Another option would be to allow the GP2 teams to run the cars in the winter, that way the F1 teams could focus on the build and test on the next cars.

sherer · 08-04-2009, 15:43

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Originally Posted by hedgie

Dont get me wrong I agree with what you are trying to suggest..

It would kill A1GP though. Another option would be to allow the GP2 teams to run the cars in the winter, that way the F1 teams could focus on the build and test on the next cars.

Yes it would kill A1GP but what would the public rather watch A1GP or a F1 Winter Championship ?

My theory was to have it centrally run and employ all the F1 test teams to tun the cars so people who have lost their jobs will now have a job. You could then have the F1 teams running with their new cars during the practice days so then the people who pay to go get to meet the F1 drivers plus those in the winter championship. You could expand the GP2 Asia series to run with it and then add in GP3 series

hedgie · 09-04-2009, 09:51

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Originally Posted by sherer

Yes it would kill A1GP but what would the public rather watch A1GP or a F1 Winter Championship ?

My theory was to have it centrally run and employ all the F1 test teams to tun the cars so people who have lost their jobs will now have a job. You could then have the F1 teams running with their new cars during the practice days so then the people who pay to go get to meet the F1 drivers plus those in the winter championship. You could expand the GP2 Asia series to run with it and then add in GP3 series

You should work for the FIA

Turkey Machine · 09-04-2009, 17:58

Considering A1GP's a dying series anyway due to admin incompetencies, late payments to teams and abandoned races, I think F1 in the winter has a much better chance of being more successful series.

The twilight races is a terrible idea, especially in Malaysia because it accelerates the chances of a race being stopped for good early on. Last weekend's race was the 5th time in 60 years of F1 that half points has been given out instead of the full whack because a race has been halted for good early (other times are Spain (Montjuich Park) 1975, Austria 1975, Monaco 1984 and Australia 1991). Even in the monsoons of Japan 1994 they did a 2-parter, but had the race been a couple of hours earlier in the day this weekend, they'd have done 56 laps and been wet on the podium.

hedgie · 15-04-2009, 10:21

Multi-plane diffusers are legal !! Go Williams

Lets get on with the season, imagination and lateral thinking has won through

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74475

Now lets see what beating is given to McLaren.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 15-04-2009, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

Considering A1GP's a dying series anyway due to admin incompetencies, late payments to teams and abandoned races, I think F1 in the winter has a much better chance of being more successful series.

The twilight races is a terrible idea, especially in Malaysia because it accelerates the chances of a race being stopped for good early on. Last weekend's race was the 5th time in 60 years of F1 that half points has been given out instead of the full whack because a race has been halted for good early (other times are Spain (Montjuich Park) 1975, Austria 1975, Monaco 1984 and Australia 1991). Even in the monsoons of Japan 1994 they did a 2-parter, but had the race been a couple of hours earlier in the day this weekend, they'd have done 56 laps and been wet on the podium.

They say late starts are to capture a bigger audience, but I used to love waking up in the very early hours to watch races. It made it much more of an event for me. I didn't realise the Malaysian Grand Proxwas going to start so late, I was expecting to have to wake up at 4am for the start of the show.

Flyboy · 15-04-2009, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

The amount of channels is not really that relevant. The main problem is that (for sponsorship reasons), F1 needs a lot of viewers. This isn't gonna happen if the countries with the largest potential audiences are in darkness when the races happen. The hardcore fans will happily stay up, and some others will happily record it to watch later, or use services like iPlayer, but they also need the viewers who might just glimpse it while channel surfing.

Not sure about that. Casual channel hoppers may not be too interested in sponsorship identification. It has been long proved that consistency with visual branding is far more effective than just casual observation. The "casual observer" is likely to be more interested in the action from the race, rather than who is displaying their brand on the car.

That said, perhaps more night races could be considered. I really enjoyed the Singapore GP last year. It really did add an extra dimension to the tension.

P.S. And Aunty, if you are watching, please, please, please give us F1 on HD!

Turkey Machine · 15-04-2009, 12:14

For what feels like the umpteenth time - the BBC could provide it if the cameras used at GPs were in HD - they're not because the race feed is provided by FOM (Formula One Management), which do all bar a couple of the races in a season. Until FOM provide an HD world feed, the BBC won't get it.

Kymmy · 15-04-2009, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

P.S. And Aunty, if you are watching, please, please, please give us F1 on HD!

This has been answered a few times and in multiple threads...

HD for this event is out of the BBC's control apart from the British GP, that's because the main race feed is supplied to the BBC by whichever broadcasting company ha the rights for that countries GP. None of these feeds are currently in HD so the best the BBC could ever do is upscale the picture..

It will though be interesting to see if the BBC does do HD for Silverstone

CHiLL · 15-04-2009, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

This has been answered a few times and in multiple threads...

HD for this event is out of the BBC's control apart from the British GP, that's because the main race feed is supplied to the BBC by whichever broadcasting company ha the rights for that countries GP. None of these feeds are currently in HD so the best the BBC could ever do is upscale the picture..

It will though be interesting to see if the BBC does do HD for Silverstone

I think the BBC might trial F1 in HD.