The existence of God - Page 37

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 14:14

No ... I never believed in god but i have a serious dislike for the Catholic Church for their actions in covering up numerous acts of paedophilia in their clergy.

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Numerous being thousands.

Russ · 05-04-2009, 14:15

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

No ... I never believed in god but i have a serious dislike for the Catholic Church for their actions in covering up numerous acts of paedophilia in their clergy.

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Numerous being thousands.

OK so your problem is not what Catholicism teaches or believes, your issue is with your perception of what you see as a 'cover up'?

rogerdraig · 05-04-2009, 14:54

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

No ... I never believed in god but i have a serious dislike for the Catholic Church for their actions in covering up numerous acts of paedophilia in their clergy.

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Numerous being thousands.

fair enough but that is just one church run by humans judge the bible by reading it

( read the other religions books to rather than judge them on what thier members do )

as i am sure i can find many evolutionists who have committed various crimes but i wouldnt then say they are all like that

05-04-2009, 17:44

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Originally Posted by xocemp

Pehaps because the bible is truth for those that believe/have faith in its words and teachings.

For the love of Darwin, even I get this...

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Originally Posted by Gary L

and that's saying something

Meaning?

idi banashapan · 05-04-2009, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Russ B

So you judge the beliefs of 2.1 billion people on the actions of one man? Do you despise all Germans because of Hitler?

Hilter wasn't German by birth

Russ · 05-04-2009, 19:01

OK I didn't realise the pedants were out in force. How about judging all Iraqis on the actions of Saddam?

**Chris** · 05-04-2009, 19:04

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Originally Posted by DRZ400

I was a Methodist for 14 years

Just wondering about this. Do you actually mean your parents are Methodists and they made you go to church until you were 14?

That's what happened with me (except mine were Anglicans). By the time I was 14 I felt I was old enough to refuse to get out of bed on a Sunday morning.

Gary L · 05-04-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B

OK I didn't realise the pedants were out in force. How about judging all Iraqis on the actions of Saddam?

There was only one Saddam

05-04-2009, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Gary L

There was only one Saddam

There was only one Hitler, your point is?

idi banashapan · 05-04-2009, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Russ B

OK I didn't realise the pedants were out in force. How about judging all Iraqis on the actions of Saddam?

I'm not having ago, just letting you know. It's a common mistake - people thinking he was German. Sorry for making you aware. I didn't realise you were so against learning new things... jeez.

DRZ400 · 05-04-2009, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Chris

Just wondering about this. Do you actually mean your parents are Methodists and they made you go to church until you were 14?

That's what happened with me (except mine were Anglicans). By the time I was 14 I felt I was old enough to refuse to get out of bed on a Sunday morning.

My Dads doesn't believe either ... I'm pretty sure my mum doesn't even though she plays the organ at church BUT yes, they made me go to church until one day at 14 I told them I was going skateboarding instead!!

**Chris** · 05-04-2009, 19:35

I think I just stayed asleep.

However I started going to a different church when I was 16 with a couple of friends. The difference was they talked about Jesus as if he was real rather than a religious icon. I got born again about a year later after I decided this was really what I wanted.

But I think my mum would have preferred me to carry on being a good little Anglican altar boy (yep, for real) rather than a slightly charismatic house-church person.

frogstamper · 05-04-2009, 19:47

Here's a question maybe one or more of the believers maybe able to answer for me, "when you consider the worlds largest and most mainstream religions, isn't it just an accident of birth whichever one you maybe born into".
I mean there are thousands of Jews, Muslims, Buddhist's and Hindu's around the world who are equally sure that their own religion is the correct path, and that others are not.
Is it not as much to do with nurture what particular religion you end up believing in, as opposed to pure faith.?

alferret · 05-04-2009, 19:51

Good God, 550+ post's on the existence of God. WOW that's some going.

On a more personal note if there is a God he's pretty crap at his job, just take a look around (excluding the barber) Were in deep doo doo. Famine, greed, pestilence. Normal people being screwed over by their own government, STM, taxes the list is endless and what is "he" doing about it, not a bloody thing.

Their is no god, no higher being, we were born of evolution and we will become extinct due to our own evolution.

Dont read to much into the good book, its a fine story that has had people going for 2000 years and if it gives you comfort then that cant be a bad thing.
We need to come together to put a stop to what is happening around us, war, fighting, disease etc. Not wait for the omnipitent bloke from a story to wave is finger and put us all out of our misery.

Russ · 05-04-2009, 19:55

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

Here's a question maybe one or more of the believers maybe able to answer for me, "when you consider the worlds largest and most mainstream religions, isn't it just an accident of birth whichever one you maybe born into".

With sects like Catholicism you have a point, because you're not really given much of a choice. My own view is if a religion is chosen for you then you are prone to apathy. I was born and raised a Catholic but I had no say in it and a few weeks after my 18th birthday I walked away from it.

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Originally Posted by alferret

Their is no god, no higher being, we were born of evolution and we will become extinct due to our own evolution.

Really? Aww, back to voodoo for me then.

</Moe Syzlak>

(mind you, it must be great being able to come on CF and be so open about dismissing our views by imposing yours on us

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