Formula 1 2009 Season [may contain real time spoilers]

[sherer]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

And 2nd place for Hamilton That's if the diffusers are rulled illegal...especially as BMW have today joined the protest against the Brawn, Williams and Toyota diffusers

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And yet again they alter the result with Hamilton down from 6th to 7th so Hamilton would be 3rd if the other three teams get kicked

The FIA have already stated if the diffusers are ruled illegalthen the results from the first 2 GPs will stand.

I though the same as you about KERS. if all the teams can only produce the same BHP and for the same amout of time then it is basically a spec part. They should give freedom to this then the teams will make it lighter and get more engery back then it might end up efficient and small enough to be used in the road car industry

[paul_hadley]

Originally Posted by punky

Does anyone know who did the song at the end? Its an accoustic cover of Rhianna's Umbrella.

Umbrella cover by Biffy Clyro from Radio 1's Live Lounge.

I think it's available on one of the Live Lounge CDs.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by sherer

The FIA have already stated if the diffusers are ruled illegalthen the results from the first 2 GPs will stand.

If that was the case then the appeal process would be stopped now instead of going ahead on the 14th April.

If the car is deemed illegal in any way then the results will be altered, the FIA can't pre-judge

http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pre...ica280309.aspx

[dev]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

If that was the case then the appeal process would be stopped now instead of going ahead on the 14th April.

If the car is deemed illegal in any way then the results will be altered, the FIA can't pre-judge

http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pre...ica280309.aspx

They have said they stand because the cars have been ruled legal so they are racing legal cars. The results would be changed if the cars were illegal but running under appeal.

[punky]

Originally Posted by paul_hadley

Umbrella cover by Biffy Clyro from Radio 1's Live Lounge.

I think it's available on one of the Live Lounge CDs.

Cheers mate

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by dev

They have said they stand because the cars have been ruled legal so they are racing legal cars. The results would be changed if the cars were illegal but running under appeal.

If the appeal states that the diffusers are illegal then they have to remove thier points, otherwise anyone could sneak in an illegal car and as long as it's not caught until after the race they'd get to keep the points..

They can;t deem a car legal for the race and then part of the car illegal for subsequent races under the same rules..

Perhaps it's gonna turn into yet another FIA mess

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

If the appeal states that the diffusers are illegal then they have to remove thier points, otherwise anyone could sneak in an illegal car and as long as it's not caught until after the race they'd get to keep the points..

They can;t deem a car legal for the race and then part of the car illegal for subsequent races under the same rules..

Perhaps it's gonna turn into yet another FIA mess

this one won

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT46

but was held to be illegal after but its race win stood

[Kymmy]

Yep, but the fan was protested against and rulled as non-competative after the event..

Three teams have appealed against the FIA decision before the Aussie GP with another team adding thier weight before todays race, surely if thier appeals are held then the rulling has to be set from the date the appeals were filed...

As I said though if FIA allows the race to stand if the diffuser is illegal then it'll be another nail in F1's coffin

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yep, but the fan was protested against and rulled as non-competative after the event..

Three teams have appealed against the FIA decision before the Aussie GP with another team adding thier weight before todays race, surely if thier appeals are held then the rulling has to be set from the date the appeals were filed...

As I said though if FIA allows the race to stand if the diffuser is illegal then it'll be another nail in F1's coffin

i don't think so as they were passed as legal by the race stewards the appeal is against that decision but that's not the same as if the cars had been ruled illegal by the stewards but allowed to race under appeal

so the ruling though it might over turn the stewards desision wouldnt affect the out come of those races just future ones

[banjo]

What is happening with Heikki Kovalainen, one lap would be good !

[sherer]

I think with the new so called harmony between the teams with FOTA the FIA have actually made a good decision this time and ruled that the results from the first two races will stand. This is the best decision as the casual fans have already seen the results of those races and they have already been changed too many times as it is. i think the teams will stick with that ruling and realise it is for the best. if it is ruled illegal then the 3 teams will design a diffuser, if it is legal the other teams will copy it.

Whether that is or isn't legal going by the current rules I think the teams will stick to the outcome and accept that with no appeal or changing of results.

[hedgie]

What do we think of these "twilight" races ?

My opinion is that the sport should revert to afternoon races whatever the time zone. In Australia the low sun angles seemed to compromise the TV pictures and it was hard to spot the different cars. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe but with the improved TV coverage on the Beeb and more TV channels to show programmes "as live" I dont see the problem.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by hedgie

What do we think of these "twilight" races ?

My opinion is that the sport should revert to afternoon races whatever the time zone. In Australia the low sun angles seemed to compromise the TV pictures and it was hard to spot the different cars. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe but with the improved TV coverage on the Beeb and more TV channels to show programmes "as live" I dont see the problem.

The amount of channels is not really that relevant. The main problem is that (for sponsorship reasons), F1 needs a lot of viewers. This isn't gonna happen if the countries with the largest potential audiences are in darkness when the races happen. The hardcore fans will happily stay up, and some others will happily record it to watch later, or use services like iPlayer, but they also need the viewers who might just glimpse it while channel surfing.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by hedgie

What do we think of these "twilight" races ?

My opinion is that the sport should revert to afternoon races whatever the time zone. In Australia the low sun angles seemed to compromise the TV pictures and it was hard to spot the different cars. I'm not sure about the rest of Europe but with the improved TV coverage on the Beeb and more TV channels to show programmes "as live" I dont see the problem.

I think this is something where F1 needs to look into why on earth they are going to these places in the first place. How many Renault cars are actually sold in Bahrain or Singapore ?

The core market for F1 is Europe, despite is being a world championship, and so that is where the viewers come from. As such they try to shift the races to get as many of us to watch it. Surely the solution would be to have more races in Europe. There was loads of empty space there as none of the locals could even afford to attend the GP let alone buy a car by Ferrari or BMW

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by sherer

I think this is something where F1 needs to look into why on earth they are going to these places in the first place. How many Renault cars are actually sold in Bahrain or Singapore ?

I don't know, but it's not only about selling cars. It's also about getting the sponsors names into as many countries as possible.

Also, there is the cost of hosting a race. Singapore and Bahrain can afford to do so. Can the european countries who aren't hosting one afford to? Can any of the countries hosting one afford to host two?