STM Trial times changed - Page 2

Robertus · 03-04-2009, 17:32

Can't see any difference from what it was?

What is the difference?

AppleSauce · 03-04-2009, 17:33

If this carries on they may as well turn into a limited ISP, like Zen is.

I'd hardly call it unlimited as of now, I'd class unlimited as download as much as you want, when you want.

Stabhappy · 03-04-2009, 17:36

So in the rare circumstance that you need to download at 8pm and not 6 or 4pm, I get to save an hour. Or lose two. Or four.

BenMcr · 03-04-2009, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Does anyone have a copy of the old STM table for reference?

The current STM hasn't been changed - the new STM tables are in the links at the bottom of the page

Sirius · 03-04-2009, 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Mcr

The current STM hasn't been changed - the new STM tables are in the links at the bottom of the page

Ben i have to admit that this stinks to high hell. This is taking STM to the extreme. They might has well just STM for 24 hours and to hell with it. The fine from the Asa will be less than they would have to pay to upgrade the network to give a good level of service without the STM.

The reality as i see it is that for those on that UBR they have just over half of the day on the level of service they pay for and for the rest of the day they are subsidising the lack of upgrades.

No wonder cloned modems are so prevalent. People are likely using them to get around the draconian traffic management.

keyholder · 03-04-2009, 18:32

:O they have taken away the unlimited hour between 3pm & 4pm, Ohwell lol.

BenMcr · 03-04-2009, 18:36

Er - there is no weekday daytime STM in any of the trial areas

Peter_ · 03-04-2009, 21:17

Here are the only STM links I can find on the website.

The first one is Traffic management trial
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...fficTrial.html

The one is the new Traffic management page showing all 6 tiers
http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php

They are very different.

BenMcr · 03-04-2009, 21:47

That first link is no longer valid

The current one on the allyours site is:

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...t/traffic.html

Peter_ · 03-04-2009, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr

That first link is no longer valid

The current one on the allyours site is:

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...t/traffic.html

An earlier poster asked for the comparison Ben so I posted the 2 together see below, should have done that in the first place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Does anyone have a copy of the old STM table for reference?

KingDaveRa · 03-04-2009, 21:57

Have to say, I can live with those limits.

I do have to wonder where Virgin get the numbers for the limits from though. I wonder if they're finger-in-the-air figures, best guesses, or based on collated data - doing the latter I would imagine could end up very subjective.

BenMcr · 03-04-2009, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moldova

An earlier poster asked for the comparison Ben so I posted the 2 together see below, should have done that in the first place.

I know that - I already answered saying that the STM levels haven't been changed between the old page and the new.

But what he was after was this - the old table for the current STM:

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Peter_ · 03-04-2009, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Here is the old table for the current STM:

Yes that is what the new page replaced today so the is now 3 sets of figures to compare.

graf_von_anonym · 03-04-2009, 23:24

I don't have the spreadsheet on this computer, I'll have to dig it out, but the initial trial actually increased the amount that you could download in a day assuming you could saturate your connection 24 hours a day. I'll run the numbers on the new trial this weekend.

One thing that struck me just there was that I have only just realised that Virgin are putting new trunk (or trunk equivalent) between the new hardware for 50Mb and the rest of the internet, as otherwise it would only be making the situation worse. I assume that since the UBR/CMTS model basically collates a whole series of connections into the big pipe that the next upgrade sequence will be more on those trunks. Obviously switching from 4 to 8 multiplexing doubles the amounts that can be threaded through, but I don't know how big those pipes are. Obviously their upstream is effecively trivial as a load, because, hell, the fibre has room for light in two directions. Indeed, I'm not even sure if that serves as a constraint at all on the network, or if it's the routing/bandwidth of each individual UBR that brings it in.

Any of you network types care to chime in?

Martyn · 03-04-2009, 23:44

this trafficmanagement lark is becoming to much, when will they upgrade the systems to beabel to cope with there over selling?