The existence of God - Page 22

idi banashapan · 03-04-2009, 11:03

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

No one has said they are wrong - they are saying why don't we look at other options.

It would appear it is (imho) you who are "spinning" by trying to make everything black and white, when it is, again imho, a voyage of discovery.

I said the same thing about the Beijing tower thread that lead onto the events of 9/11, but that didn't seem to work for you there - what's changed??

**Hugh** · 03-04-2009, 12:59

I feel that the difference is that one is a discussion about competing peer-reviewed scientific theories which use the scientific method to arrive at conclusions, and the other is based on paranoid ramblings of conspiracy theorists who bend the facts to fit their hypotheses (imho).

But you probably already knew that.

**Maggy** · 03-04-2009, 13:15

I think we have digressed enough so back on topic please.

Gary L · 03-04-2009, 15:18

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Originally Posted by mischievious

Since I have to point out the obvious.....?

Why?

Why what?

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Also, you consider EARTH as collosal, I was expecting the universe...

I meant the universe. a collosal explosion in the universe?

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Now you see, a good example of me willing to accept some of your theory but you not willing to accept any of mine.

If anything Russ, it's me partly accepting yours. not you accepting mine.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I thought that in space no one can hear you scream..or explode?

Is it possible to have noise if there is nothing there to begin with and there won't be until after the big bang?

Thinking like this can only make my headache worse...

There had to be something there in the first place. you can't make something out of nothing

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

a) There is no sound in space, as there is no medium for sound to travel through
b) There wasn't a "down here", as up there was just being created.

The universe came into being 13 billion years ago (approx), whilst our Solar System formed approx 5 billion years ago - two different events.

And you appear to be confusing physics with metaphysics.

It's all just guess work. all these so many billions of years.

Russ · 03-04-2009, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Gary L

If anything Russ, it's me partly accepting yours. not you accepting mine.

Let's look at that in a little detail shall we....

Nothing you've posted would indicate you are willing to accept the notion of a creator deity (ie not just the Christian God).

On the other hand while I don't agree with a godless creation, I believe the Big Bang was the moment God said 'Let the be light' (I recommend Dan Brown's Angels and Demons, it might open your mind a little...).

So I will go along with the Big Bang theory to a point. I haven't seen any indications of you agreeing to some sort of creation deity. Yet.

downquark1 · 03-04-2009, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Gary L

It's all just guess work. all these so many billions of years.

so so

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
You can easily put lower limits on the age based on the assumption the universe cannot contain anything older than itself.

Gary L · 03-04-2009, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Let's look at that in a little detail shall we....

Nothing you've posted would indicate you are willing to accept the notion of a creator deity (ie not just the Christian God).

On the other hand while I don't agree with a godless creation, I believe the Big Bang was the moment God said 'Let the be light' (I recommend Dan Brown's Angels and Demons, it might open your mind a little...).

So I will go along with the Big Bang theory to a point. I haven't seen any indications of you agreeing to some sort of creation deity. Yet.

I don't have a theory as such. I'm questioning the other theories.
You said you prefered the theory of the Big Bang was the moment God said "Let there be light" after I told you the theory about the Big Bang. it wasn't my theory you were partly accepting.

**Hugh** · 03-04-2009, 15:35

It would seem to me that someone is arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than supporting a proposition.

Russ · 03-04-2009, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't have a theory as such. I'm questioning the other theories.
You said you prefered the theory of the Big Bang was the moment God said "Let there be light" after I told you the theory about the Big Bang. it wasn't my theory you were partly accepting.

Ok now that's confusing because here you seem to be leaning towards one particular theory (if you're not describing the Big Bang with that post then I apologise) but now you're saying you don't have a theory.

Curious indeed.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

It would seem to me that someone is arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than supporting a proposition.

You might be on to something there...

Gary L · 03-04-2009, 15:47

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

It would seem to me that someone is arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than supporting a proposition.

Try reading the original post prior to the questions after.

Russ · 03-04-2009, 15:49

Huh???

Gary L · 03-04-2009, 15:52

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Ok now that's confusing because here you seem to be leaning towards one particular theory (if you're not describing the Big Bang with that post then I apologise) but now you're saying you don't have a theory.

Curious indeed.

then some say that it was the Big Bang that created the earth. and if that is the case then God didn't create it so there can't be a God?

It wasn't my theory. it was someone elses. I pointed that out to you.
In the other post you are referring to, it shows that if anything I am partly agreeing with yours.

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You might be on to something there...

Hmmmm.

Russ · 03-04-2009, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Gary L

then some say that it was the Big Bang that created the earth. and if that is the case then God didn't create it so there can't be a God?

It wasn't my theory. it was someone elses. I pointed that out to you.
In the other post you are referring to, it shows that if anything I am partly agreeing with yours.

Hmmmm.

OK you seem to be getting a bit mixed up here. I said I support the idea of a Big Bang theory to a point as it's when I believe God said 'Let there be light'. Your reply that you prefer the 'let there be noise' theory indicates you don't agree with that. If I've got that wrong then I apologise but to be fair you haven't exactly made it easy to follow your trail - you did say you preferred it.

So to eliminate any confusion, where do you stand on the notion that God (or any god) created the universe?

Gary L · 03-04-2009, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Russ B

OK you seem to be getting a bit mixed up here. I said I support the idea of a Big Bang theory to a point as it's when I believe God said 'Let there be light'. Your reply that you prefer the 'let there be noise' theory indicates you don't agree with that. If I've got that wrong then I apologise but to be fair you haven't exactly made it easy to follow your trail - you did say you preferred it.

So to eliminate any confusion, where do you stand on the notion that God (or any god) created the universe?

I think it's all baloney.
is that plain enough and sufficient to clear up all the confusion?

Russ · 03-04-2009, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I think it's all baloney.
is that plain enough and sufficient to clear up all the confusion?

Yes, thank you, it also confirms what I said earlier about my accepting some of your theory but you accepting none of mine.

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