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**Maggy** · 01-04-2009, 18:47

Not to prejudge the situation I'd like to reiterate something I pointed out in another thread..todays teenagers are a danger unto themselves in regards to traffic.They have no respect for traffic and behave with the utmost stupidity when crossing the road during daylight hours and when perfectly compos mentis..Something I see every day when arriving at and leaving school.

If as someone was suggesting it was dark and the poor girl was drinking it may well have made such an attitude even worse.

However I would like to hear more about the case and the evidence given.

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Not to prejudge the situation I'd like to reiterate something I pointed out in another thread..todays teenagers are a danger unto themselves in regards to traffic.They have no respect for traffic and behave with the utmost stupidity when crossing the road during daylight hours and when perfectly compos mentis..Something I see every day when arriving at and leaving school.

If as someone was suggesting it was dark and the poor girl was drinking it may well have made such an attitude even worse.

However I would like to hear more about the case and the evidence given.

I don't think it'll make any difference to some if the police man was doing 200MPH with no lights or siren. they'd still probably suggest that it might not have been his fault that a girl got hit and killed.

but I think if it was a common thief and constant offender that were to have done it, we probably wouldn't be hearing any arguments of how it might not be his fault.

01-04-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Druchii

By studying the road you're about to cross for more than a millisecond. That's how.

"Oooh, that car's belting up here..." vs. "Oh look a car, i'll make it".

a car traveling at 90mph could be round a corner or possibly be out of site when you start crossing the road then because its traveling at a stupid pace bang its on you to late to do anything

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

a car traveling at 90mph could be round a corner or possibly be out of site when you start crossing the road then because its traveling at a stupid pace bang its on you to late to do anything

Or on the brow of an hill. if you get lucky and it misses you. hope that the next few along the line are just as lucky.

Druchii · 01-04-2009, 19:17

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

a car traveling at 90mph could be round a corner or possibly be out of site when you start crossing the road then because its traveling at a stupid pace bang its on you to late to do anything

Assuming this was the middle of the night, a car accelerating to 90mph will surely make a decent amount of noise as well... Then again, turning a corner at 60-90mph will surely be rather difficult, and i hear in this case the road is particularly straight.
On this one, if the above turns out to be true, i agree with Coggy. Teenagers are indeed a danger to themselves. I too witness this day to day.

My sister personally owes her life to a skilled driver who managed to stop literally against all odds when she walked out into the road.
A fireman this time. Very quick reactions, and had taken an advanced driving course in his time...

Sad to think, that in a different time, even by a few seconds, this young lady may have just witnessed a car zoom by...

01-04-2009, 19:27

Oh what utter crap. This guy should not have been doing 90 end of story anyone thinking its ok then wake up and smell the coffee. This guy wanted a bust he thought he could sneek up without blues and twos and it didnt go well for him. I know its supposition but if he had a good enough reason he wouldnt be in court

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Druchii

My sister personally owes her life to a skilled driver who managed to stop literally against all odds when she walked out into the road. A fireman this time. Very quick reactions, and had taken an advanced driving course in his time...

I've worked it out. it's not speed that is dangerous. it's not having a certificate to say that you've had advanced driving lessons that's dangerous.

I think we should go and get ourselves one of these certificates and shoot around the streets knowing that if any idiot is stupid enough not to look and see me coming then it's their own fault for not looking.

I might be helpful though and wire up a doorbell to the front bumper.

rogerdraig · 01-04-2009, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I've worked it out. it's not speed that is dangerous. it's not having a certificate to say that you've had advanced driving lessons that's dangerous.

I think we should go and get ourselves one of these certificates and shoot around the streets knowing that if any idiot is stupid enough not to look and see me coming then it's their own fault for not looking.

I might be helpful though and wire up a doorbell to the front bumper.

if you took an advanced driving course you may start to see things differently

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

if you took an advanced driving course you may start to see things differently

If a loved one of yours got killed by an advanced driver on a 30MPH road. driving at speeds up to 90MPH and killing her instantly at around 70MPH. you'd probably see things differently.

Or maybe not.

rogerdraig · 01-04-2009, 20:33

my kids if they do as they have been taught they wouldnt cross a road with a car coming unless they were sure that it was not going to come any where near them before they completed crossing the road

only today i saw three very lucky girls crossing a road all looking at one of the girls mobile phones right in front of a driver who lucky for them happened to be looking at them

they could have been killed or seriously injured if he had been distracted by any of the many other things he needed to be paying attention to along that bit of road

but that car could have been a joyrider speeding an ambulance rushing ( they don't always have thier sirens going in built up areas ) or a police car trying to do his job

and although quite rightly if it had been a joy rider you could say he shouldnt have been there they would still only be dead or injured because they were not looking at the road !

roads should all be considered as dangerous as a motorway to cross and parents should be instilling that in thier kids and never letting them think that any road is in anyway safe to walk across with out thoroughly checking its safe to do so !

Peter_ · 01-04-2009, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Druchii

By studying the road you're about to cross for more than a millisecond. That's how.

"Oooh, that car's belting up here..." vs. "Oh look a car, i'll make it".

At 90mph you would cover ONE mile in 45 seconds so how much time would you have to react to an approaching vehicle travelling at that speed and even if you saw him 200 yards away you would have less than 6 seconds to react and the oncoming headlights could cause the rabbit in the headlights scenario to happen.

The use of Blues and Twos probably would have prevented this from happening.

I am all for the Police and our other Emergency services pro-actively using their Blues and Twos when attending a legitimate call or reacting to a situation as it gives forewarning to other road users and pedestrians and if one of these drivers kill a person through not using these devices then the full weight of the law must be used to prosecute them.

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

my kids if they do as they have been taught they wouldnt cross a road with a car coming unless they were sure that it was not going to come any where near them before they completed crossing the road

Yes but If a kid of yours got killed by an advanced driver on a 30MPH road. driving at speeds up to 90MPH and killing them instantly at around 70MPH. you'd probably see things differently.

**Hugh** · 01-04-2009, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Gary L

If a loved one of yours got killed by an advanced driver on a 30MPH road. driving at speeds up to 90MPH and killing her instantly at around 70MPH. you'd probably see things differently.

Or maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Yes but If a kid of yours got killed by an advanced driver on a 30MPH road. driving at speeds up to 90MPH and killing them instantly at around 70MPH. you'd probably see things differently.

Did you have radishes for tea?

Peter_ · 01-04-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Did you have radishes for tea?

They are slightly different

rogerdraig · 01-04-2009, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Moldova

At 90mph you would cover ONE mile in 45 seconds so how much time would you have to react to an approaching vehicle travelling at that speed and even if you saw him 200 yards away you would have less than 6 seconds to react and the oncoming headlights could cause the rabbit in the headlights scenario to happen.

The use of Blues and Twos probably would have prevented this from happening.

I am all for the Police and our other Emergency services pro-actively using their Blues and Twos when attending a legitimate call or reacting to a situation as it gives forewarning to other road users and pedestrians and if one of these drivers kill a person through not using these devices then the full weight of the law must be used to prosecute them.

what the reaction of not stepping out ?

as to lights and siren sure it would help but there are times when they are not used

as i have said a few times here i am not saying he was in the right but most posts seem to be saying it should never happen and that is not living in the real world of what the police have to do