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Derek · 01-04-2009, 13:40

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I would feel he should have been approaching the car in a safer fashion perhaps get a helicoptor up in the air and getting backup to trace the guy and child safely

How many helicopters do you think the Police in the UK have?
And do you think they fly at all hours of the day and night?

What would he have said?

"Yeah I'm looking for a car. It's a dark colour and was in this street an hour ago heading that way."

I'm sure it would be easy to trace in the hour or so it could easily take for a helicopter to get overhead.

01-04-2009, 13:40

there is always one over our bloody estate every night

would have thought if there was a child abduction there would have been a lot of support in place already

frogstamper · 01-04-2009, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Moldova

It was the automatic number plate recognition system that reacted and he tried to chase the vehicle at 90mph and killed a child of 16.

Even if the car was a paedophile it does not detract from his abject failure and total disregard for passersby he showed by speeding at 90mph without his Blues and Twos on.

Your probably right, and the chances are if his found guilty they will throw the book at him, rightly so, I'm just a bit uncomfortable condemning the guy before his had a chance to defend himself.
If the court finds him guilty then he deserves everything he gets, but until then there is a chance, no matter how slim that he may have mitigating circumstances.

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 13:50

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

there is always one over our bloody estate every night

would have thought if there was a child abduction there would have been a lot of support in place already

Excuses and scenarios thread is the other one

Peter_ · 01-04-2009, 13:54

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

Your probably right, and the chances are if his found guilty they will throw the book at him, rightly so, I'm just a bit uncomfortable condemning the guy before his had a chance to defend himself.
If the court finds him guilty then he deserves everything he gets, but until then there is a chance, no matter how slim that he may have mitigating circumstances.

I really would like to hear mitigating circumstances that stopped him from having his Blues and Twos on which may have prevented this from happening.

**Chris** · 01-04-2009, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Moldova

I really would like to hear mitigating circumstances that stopped him from having his Blues and Twos on which may have prevented this from happening.

Well if you reserve your judgement until you've heard the defence case, you will hear whatever mitigating circumstances he has to offer. Then you can make an intelligent assessment of whether they're reasonable and whether he's guilty.

rogerdraig · 01-04-2009, 14:11

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Originally Posted by Moldova

So now the driver had a knife at someones throat?

He was trying to chase a car not rush to the scene of a siege or robbery so do not try to confuse the issue by mentioning a scenario that has absolutely no bearing on this discussion and you are just attempting to cloud the the issue.

You do the crime you do the time and what that driver did was a crime and it does not matter that he was wearing a uniform at the time.

Any rubbish posted about he was only doing his job is rubbish, he killed someone because he did not do his job properly.

no people have been asking why a police car should ever speed without lights i just pointed out ONE of many reasons for doing so

i have in no post said he was right to do what he did but i wont condemn him either with out all the evidence

to say that police should NEVER do this sort of speed in my opinion just shows a lack of understanding of the job that they are required to do

yes they will make mistakes

BUT especially for pedestrians it is up to them to make sure its safe to cross a road before doing so

Peter_ · 01-04-2009, 14:43

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

no people have been asking why a police car should ever speed without lights i just pointed out ONE of many reasons for doing so

BUT especially for pedestrians it is up to them to make sure its safe to cross a road before doing so

It was at night and that is reason enough to have his Blues and Twos on.

Could you be sure it was safe to cross if you did not know the oncoming vehicle was doing 90mph and if so how come you are able to react that fast, how can any person be expected to see if it is safe when a car is approaching at that kind of speed.

Derek · 01-04-2009, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Moldova

It was at night and that is reason enough to have his Blues and Twos on.

There are reasons and possible explanations why the lights and sirens were not on.

Gary L · 01-04-2009, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Derek S

There are reasons and possible explanations why the lights and sirens were not on.

The reason being he didn't want to alert the Megane that he was approaching.

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He later told investigators from the Independent Police Complaints Commission he had not wanted to warn the Megane driver by switching on his flashing headlamps, rooftop beacon, or two-tone siren.

Chrysalis · 01-04-2009, 15:45

First although it may sound horrid I think the fact it was a child that died rather than an adult shouldnt be relevant, he ran someone over. People get emotional when its a child.

He may not have turned his siren on etc. so he wouldnt alert the other car, but I think either he or the police force need to be found guilty.

The reason been if he was in a situation where he wanted to catch the vehicle but not be detected then he should have done so at a lower speed perhaps 40 or 50mph, 90 seems excessive. If 90 was necessary then that to me classes as an emergency and the siren would need to be on.

So the question should be is it operational procedure to do 90mph in a 30 zone without sirens and lights in that situation ie. is this how he has been trained.

If yes, then he personally should not go down but the police procedures need to be reviewed.

If no then he needs to go down.

Something else I am going to add here as well, it is something I have complained to both the police and my MP about.

I live next to a mini roundabout, and I have observed over the past 2 years something that didnt used to happen many years ago.

The police here at night will approach the roundabout with only their lights flashing and no siren, they then turn on the siren about 2 seconds before they reach the roundabout and then turn it off again. When I complained it was mainly about a sudden noise that comes out of nowhere as its far less disruptive to hear a quiet siren get louder and louder than a very loud siren thats suddenly turned on outside your house.

But this news report makes me also realise there is a serious danger to turning of sirens in between major junctions in that they not providing any audible alert to pedestrians who may be crossing the road especially blind people. Recently the police are baffling me more and more.

Peter_ · 01-04-2009, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Derek S

There are reasons and possible explanations why the lights and sirens were not on.

The can be but it also failed to give any warning of his approach at speed.

SMG · 01-04-2009, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Derek S

There are reasons and possible explanations why the lights and sirens were not on.

I`m sorry Derek, I may be on a different wavelength to you here, but, are those reasons & explanations justification for this man to drive at 90 mph in a 30 mph zone, & do those reasons justify the death of a young girl??

Druchii · 01-04-2009, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Moldova

It was at night and that is reason enough to have his Blues and Twos on.

Could you be sure it was safe to cross if you did not know the oncoming vehicle was doing 90mph and if so how come you are able to react that fast, how can any person be expected to see if it is safe when a car is approaching at that kind of speed.

By studying the road you're about to cross for more than a millisecond. That's how.

"Oooh, that car's belting up here..." vs. "Oh look a car, i'll make it".

rogerdraig · 01-04-2009, 17:39

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Originally Posted by SMG

I`m sorry Derek, I may be on a different wavelength to you here, but, are those reasons & explanations justification for this man to drive at 90 mph in a 30 mph zone, & do those reasons justify the death of a young girl??

yes they can not saying they do here but they can

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Originally Posted by Druchii

By studying the road you're about to cross for more than a millisecond. That's how.

"Oooh, that car's belting up here..." vs. "Oh look a car, i'll make it".

exactly