This one's going down

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Locky33

Try concentrating loading and collecting bins wearing high vizability clothing with flashing beacons and crossing the roads behind a bin lorry wile thinking of speeding drivers. Some of which mount the pavement at speed to get through gaps where they cant wait 5 seconds (how i was hit from BEHIND)

on that one i would say its one for health and safety as you should not be crossing next to the bin lorry

see

highway code rule 7

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_070108

pedestrians have to learn to follow the rules if they want to stay alive

[SMG]

I was under the impression that the forum wanted our opinions, our thoughts, on current events. If we wait until a verdict is reached there wont be much to speculate about, & not that much to debate.

In any event, I would openly condemn anyone, Police or otherwise, doing 90mph in a 30mph zone. Its dangerous. Full stop. No crime is worth the risk involved. Had this driver met, & collided with an oncoming vehicle, there may have been many more deaths. The risk, is not worth it.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by SMG

Would you please post the link where it states he was a class 1 driver please. Unless the training has changed recently, your average traffic cop has a short, police driving course, which does not even come close to civilian Advanced Driving standards.

Police class 1 drivers, have exceptional skills, however, no police officer would consider driving at such a speed in a 30 zone. To do so, without very good reason, would be nothing short of extremely dangerous, bordering on criminal. To pursue a vehicle without warning devices on is not only stupid, but against Police policy.

Had a member of the public driven like that, he or she would be thrown to the dogs, & rightly so. Police Officers are answerable to the Law just the same as you & me. Based on the info I have read, It does seem that this was, a stupid, reckless driver, who killed an innocent girl.

actualy if he can show it could have hindered his duty there is no speed limit for a police office see "Section 87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984" link here http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...tDocId=2223981

as the car was fitted with ANPR i would suspect hes a class one driver

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by SMG

In any event, I would openly condemn anyone, Police or otherwise, doing 90mph in a 30mph zone. Its dangerous. Full stop. No crime is worth the risk involved. Had this driver met, & collided with an oncoming vehicle, there may have been many more deaths. The risk, is not worth it.

Either 90MPH is dangerous for anyone to drive at on a 30MPH road. or not at all IMO.
If it isn't the case then change the adverts to speed is only dangerous unless you're a police officer.

are they dangerous drivers in civillian clothes doing 90MPH on a 30MPH?

He later told investigators from the Independent Police Complaints Commission he had not wanted to warn the Megane driver by switching on his flashing headlamps, rooftop beacon, or two-tone siren.

And he claimed he had driven the Volvo in a “safe and controlled� way.


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Originally Posted by rogermevans

actualy if he can show it could have hindered his duty there is no speed limit for a police office see "Section 87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984" link here http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...tDocId=2223981

as the car was fitted with ANPR i would suspect hes a class one driver

Someone said that it was a suspected stolen.

An officer with advanced police driver training, he had been patrolling near Denton Road for a suspected stolen Vauxhall when the Megane drove past.
And the way Dougal “hunted� the Megane even though he had no information about the reason it had triggered the computer system was out of proportion,

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Moldova

I would want him to have his Blues and twos on to at least give some forewarning that he is speeding and chasing an offender as without them he is just another reckless driver speeding without any reason who killed without any consideration or thought for his victim, which is pretty much the norm for the average offender behind the wheel, and he is just another offender.

I will be very interested to see how this case progresses and to see if he actually gets punished for his recklessness.

and if the person with the knife to your throat says "if hear the police coming things will get worse" ?

Originally Posted by SMG

I was under the impression that the forum wanted our opinions, our thoughts, on current events. If we wait until a verdict is reached there wont be much to speculate about, & not that much to debate.

This forum is indeed here for people to share opinions and thoughts on current events. But most of the current events we discuss are not ongoing court cases where the whole truth is only revealed one piece at a time over a number of days. Sharing an unqualified opinion on the guilt or innocence of someone in the full knowledge that not all the facts have yet been revealed is a tad irresponsible I think.

In any event, I would openly condemn anyone, Police or otherwise, doing 90mph in a 30mph zone. Its dangerous. Full stop. No crime is worth the risk involved. Had this driver met, & collided with an oncoming vehicle, there may have been many more deaths. The risk, is not worth it.

I can think of a number of admittedly very extreme examples where it would be entirely justified. However, I'm reserving judgement in this case, just as the jury in the courtroom are doing. I see very little point in sharing an opinion when I am fully aware that I do not possess all the available facts.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

and if the person with the knife to your throat says "if hear the police coming things will get worse" ?

This isn't the movies.

Originally Posted by rogermevans

and if the person with the knife to your throat says "if hear the police coming things will get worse" ?

Then they can approach at a slower safer speed

Originally Posted by Moldova

So because she was now allegedly drunk it is OK to be mown down by a car doing 90mph would you be as forgiving if it was your allegedly drunk child, I think not!

As for the accusation she was drunk were is the proof not that it matters when the car hitting you is doing 90mph.

Well, here again is the problem with getting all hot under the collar at news emerging from an ongoing court case. What, exactly, is the point in you demanding 'where is the proof'? There are a load of highly-paid barristers standing in a court room right now, showing proof for all the claims being made, and a jury is sat there listening and watching it all.

Only when it has all been laid out and the jury is considering its verdict can we hope to have a meaningful discussion about the rights and wrongs committed here.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

and if the person with the knife to your throat says "if hear the police coming things will get worse" ?

So now the driver had a knife at someones throat?

He was trying to chase a car not rush to the scene of a siege or robbery so do not try to confuse the issue by mentioning a scenario that has absolutely no bearing on this discussion and you are just attempting to cloud the the issue.

You do the crime you do the time and what that driver did was a crime and it does not matter that he was wearing a uniform at the time.

Any rubbish posted about he was only doing his job is rubbish, he killed someone because he did not do his job properly.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

Only when it has all been laid out and the jury is considering its verdict can we hope to have a meaningful discussion about the rights and wrongs committed here.

The only rights and wrongs I'm bothered about are doing 90MPH on a 30MPH road. and not using the lights and siren to warn anybody. be they drunk or sober, young or old.

Originally Posted by Gary L

The only rights and wrongs I'm bothered about are doing 90MPH on a 30MPH road. and not using the lights and siren to warn anybody. be they drunk or sober, young or old.

I agree, it sounds really, really bad. However I don't believe in condemning a man before he has had the chance to explain his actions. So I won't be forming an opinion on this until I've heard his defence.

[frogstamper]

I doubt very much this is the case but imagine how we'll all feel if it turns out the officer in question was chasing a paedophile who'd abducted a child, I know its unlikely but something could well come out from his defence team that makes us look at the case in a different light.
As mentioned above we just don't know yet.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

I doubt very much this is the case but imagine how we'll all feel if it turns out the officer in question was chasing a paedophile who'd abducted a child, I know its unlikely but something could well come out from his defence team that makes us look at the case in a different light.
As mentioned above we just don't know yet.

It was the automatic number plate recognition system that reacted and he tried to chase the vehicle at 90mph and killed a child of 16.

Even if the car was a paedophile it does not detract from his abject failure and total disregard for passersby he showed by speeding at 90mph without his Blues and Twos on.

Originally Posted by frogstamper

I doubt very much this is the case but imagine how we'll all feel if it turns out the officer in question was chasing a paedophile who'd abducted a child, I know its unlikely but something could well come out from his defence team that makes us look at the case in a different light.
As mentioned above we just don't know yet.

I would feel he should have been approaching the car in a safer fashion perhaps get a helicoptor up in the air and getting backup to trace the guy and child safely