The existence of God - Page 14

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Gary L

LOL at the joke.

What joke Gary.......that was real!!!!

I laughed too!

rogerdraig · 22-03-2009, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Is photos or CCTV footage asking for too much?
Or a plain old fashioned miracle.

but then there wouldnt be a fair choice would there

do you want to follow the god giving you and demonstrating his all powerfulness

or

follow the devil off into destruction

the choice as Christians see it from the bible is harder will you follow on a promise of a good life later a life now that has rules and obligations with no reward other than that you feel happy that you are doing good

or

follow the world and do as you feel you want to not worrying what others want etc

the original post seemed to me to be asking or stating that there would be no pain and suffering if god existed i posted my points on that back a few pages

as to proof i could go into great detail on prophecies we see as being fulfilled and even the state the world is now in today see ( mathew 24 )

but even these to some take faith to believe that the bible was written by god ( or by the direction of god to be more precise )

LondonRoad · 22-03-2009, 22:28

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Originally Posted by lucy7

What joke Gary.......that was real!!!!

I laughed too!

So did I. In a nostalgic sort of way

First heard David Copperfield ( comic from 3 of a kind - not magician ) tell it over 30 years ago.

It's still a few years younger than most of my jokes though.

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:32

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Originally Posted by lucy7

What joke Gary.......that was real!!!!

I laughed too!

The one about the 2 boats and an helicopter.
it didn't quote properly.

**Maggy** · 22-03-2009, 22:33

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Originally Posted by mischievious

Maggy what is it with you and Bender? You seem to like each other very much

And you seem to like sitting in his pocket...

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 22:33

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Originally Posted by mischievious

I wondered previously at Maggy and Russ comments concerning Atheists have it easy.

Now I see why but the reason as far as I can tell is because people of faith allow atheists to take the armchair approach. The Atheists here have a solid I don't believe you approach to whatever a person of faith offers. What do Atheists offer apart from I don't believe?

That is an atheists right Mischevious, they dont have to believe or offer up any evidence against.

It is possibly easier for them, as they do not have to speak up for what us believers see as Bible truth, when ones pesonal belief in God is challenged, or maybe a better word is, questioned.

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:35

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Originally Posted by harmitage

So did I. In a nostalgic sort of way

First heard David Copperfield ( comic from 3 of a kind - not magician ) tell it over 30 years ago.

It's still a few years younger than most of my jokes though.

Somebody really did go to heaven and speak to God?

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The one about the 2 boats and an helicopter.
it didn't quote properly.

Whos a nutter???

Name calling now are we??

Help, this Christian is being persecuted!!

**Chris** · 22-03-2009, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Apart from the Bible possibly not being true. we're more advanced today than then. and would be able to make a quick decision as to whether the miracle being performed is sufficient enough as proof?

You have to see it as when you say to me The Bible suggests.. to me it's like you saying to me My Dad says..
doesn't mean it's true to me just because it is to you.

Far be it from me to get into a circular argument. I don't expect you to believe in the Bible. But I do, so I take it seriously when it tells me that plenty of people witnessed miracles and yet failed to believe in Jesus as a result. NB by 'believe in' I don't mean 'accept the existence of', I mean believe his teaching, trust him, follow him, etc.

I wouldn't attempt to persuade you with miracles because I don't believe it would make a difference to you. Even if a miraculous event caused you to concede the point that God might exist, or even go so far as to accept that he does exist, accepting that God exists doesn't get you anywhere. Unashamed Bible quotation: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatâ€”and shudder."

God isn't looking for people to concede an intellectual point. He's looking for people who will get into relationship with him, trust him, obey him and worship him.

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

And you seem to like sitting in his pocket...

Nope sorry you're wrong there, I have my own thoughts on things.

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:47

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Originally Posted by lucy7

Whos a nutter???

Name calling now are we??

Don't say that. you'll get me arrested

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Help, this Christian is being persecuted!!

Who's nicked the devil smilie from the list?

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 22:48

Forum posts are never going to be a way to get people to understand about if God exists or not.

They get people who want to think about it more deeply, thinking more deeply!

Others will just think, what a load of typists going over board with their thoughts on religion.

I would repeat, if any one really wants to know more, do it by personally looking into it all, and check things out for yourself.

Or just wait till I knock on your door!!!!

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Chris

Far be it from me to get into a circular argument. I don't expect you to believe in the Bible. But I do, so I take it seriously when it tells me that plenty of people witnessed miracles and yet failed to believe in Jesus as a result. NB by 'believe in' I don't mean 'accept the existence of', I mean believe his teaching, trust him, follow him, etc.

It's all about belief.

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I wouldn't attempt to persuade you with miracles because I don't believe it would make a difference to you. Even if a miraculous event caused you to concede the point that God might exist, or even go so far as to accept that he does exist, accepting that God exists doesn't get you anywhere. Unashamed Bible quotation: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatâ€”and shudder."

They would have to be new miracles. not the ones from the Bible.

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God isn't looking for people to concede an intellectual point. He's looking for people who will get into relationship with him, trust him, obey him and worship him.

He has them kind of people now.

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Originally Posted by lucy7

Or just wait till I knock on your door!!!!

I need converting

**Chris** · 22-03-2009, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Gary L

It's all about belief.

You're absolutely right. And you can't borrow someone else's belief. Everyone who has a relationship with God has their own, personal to them. But belief and faith are not blind or unproven. If I choose to take a ride on a zip wire, it's because I believe it is well made enough to take my weight. But once I put my trust in the equpment, that trust is tested and proven. It's not dissimilar with God. He's not a theoretical entity; to those who have believed and trusted in him he has shown himself to be close at hand and very real.

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They would have to be new miracles. not the ones from the Bible.

Yes, I assumed that's what you meant.

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He has them kind of people now.

And yet he still wants you.

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 22:59

You sure do Gary!
One day, maybe!

Goodnight all, God bless, sweet dreams, my bed is calling me.