The existence of God - Page 13

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I honestly wouldn't define life as a miracle. is a seed growing into a tree a miracle?
I think a miracle would have to be some kind of really good magic that is just not possible to do. not cards though I hate card tricks.

For all scientists posturing though it is still not possible to define the spark of life. We can mutate and replicate through playing with the raw ingredients, we cannot currently create the conditions from scratch ourselves. Why it this rejectable as really good magic.

I have never seen a seed play cards, though I have seen a seedy deck

papa smurf · 22-03-2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by mischievious

For all scientists posturing though it is still not possible to define the spark of life. We can mutate and replicate through playing with the raw ingredients, we cannot currently create the conditions from scratch ourselves. Why it this rejectable as really good magic.

I have never seen a seed play cards, though I have seen a seedy deck

I seen a peanut stand, heard a rubber band
I seen a needle that winked its eye
But I be done seen 'bout ev'rything
When I see a elephant fly

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 21:47

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

imo the thread title is

The existence of God---not the none existence of .... so i think you've got the proof thing the wrong way around ,and if something does not exist how can i produce evidence of its non existence such evidence would not exist.

Get out clause central, papa smurf getting off

A discussion concerning the existence of god would also include the non existence. The discussion title suggests that existence has not been established and therefore in order to discuss, persons from all angles would be required. The thread was not entitled "Persons o faith willing to be abused over their belief this way" either. Proof of anything was not required by the thread title.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

I seen a peanut stand, heard a rubber band
I seen a needle that winked its eye
But I be done seen 'bout ev'rything
When I see a elephant fly

That was a disney film not a documentary

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 21:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

imo the thread title is

The existence of God---not the none existence of .... so i think you've got the proof thing the wrong way around ,and if something does not exist how can i produce evidence of its non existence such evidence would not exist.

You could always pray to a rock and then pray to God. see which one answers

If the rock answers I want to use it as the miracle.

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Gary L

You could always pray to a rock and then pray to God. see which one answers

I think you simplify too much, I don't believe that the concept of GOD is an answering service....

papa smurf · 22-03-2009, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Gary L

You could always pray to a rock and then pray to God. see which one answers

If the rock answers I want to use it as the miracle.

but if God answers you get a rubber room

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 21:55

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Originally Posted by mischievious

I think you simplify too much, I don't believe that the concept of GOD is an answering service....

Isn't it said that he answers all prayers?

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 22:02

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

but if God answers you get a rubber room

LOL! So you don't speak to a doctor you speak to a priest/vicar etc. though would he/she believe you?

papa smurf · 22-03-2009, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Isn't it said that he answers all prayers?

i think the saying is hears all ... not answers all , it would be a funny old world if 90% of its people where claiming to be having a rapport with God

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Isn't it said that he answers all prayers?

It might do, I'm not an expert but even if it did does it give any expectation of time or how the answer will come?

The answer could be in the form an action e.g.

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There was a man called him Jim, who lived near a river. Jim was a very religious man.

One day, the river rose over the banks and flooded the town, and Jim was forced to climb onto his porch roof. While sitting there, a man in a boat comes along and tells Jim to get in the boat with him. Jim says "No, that's ok. God will take care of me." So, the man in the boat drives off.

The water rises, so Jim climbs onto his roof. At that time, another boat comes along and the person in that one tells Jim to get in. Jim replies, "No, that's ok. God will take care of me." The person in the boat then leaves.

The water rises even more, and Jim climbs on his chimney. Then a helicopter comes and lowers a ladder. The woman in the helicopter tells Jim to climb up the ladder and get in. Jim tells her "That's ok." The woman says "Are you sure?" Jim says, "Yeah, I'm sure God will take care of me.

Finally, the water rises too high and Jim drowns. Jim gets up to Heaven and is face-to-face with God. Jim says to God "You told me you would take care of me!
What happened?"

God replied "Well, I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What else did you want?"

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:14

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i think the saying is hears all ... not answers all

Isn't the hear my prayers just the song?

Found the get out clause in the contract.

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God does not promise to hear the prayer of the unbelieving person. So, here is the first thing to ask yourself: â€œAm I a believer?â€

Isaiah 59:2 â€œBut your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.â€

Proverbs 15:29 â€œThe LORD is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous.â€

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it would be a funny old world if 90% of its people where claiming to be having a rapport with God

It would be a bit crazy.

**Maggy** · 22-03-2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Bender

absolutely, but the commet still holds a lot of truth.

Possibly but how many times has religion been made the scapegoat for bad behaviour when in reality it's been man's greed that instigates wars..indeed those so called crusades that were to reclaim the holy land(which we never owned in the first place) were nothing more than an excuse to exploit the situation to extract anything of value in any way possible including hostage taking for monetary gain...

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 22:17

LOL at the joke.

LondonRoad · 22-03-2009, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Possibly but how many times has religion been made the scapegoat for bad behaviour when in reality it's been man's greed that instigates wars..indeed those so called crusades that were to reclaim the holy land(which we never owned in the first place) were nothing more than an excuse to exploit the situation to extract anything of value in any way possible including hostage taking for monetary gain...

Too right. It's often misconstrued that the vast majority of human lives lost (in war) is due to wars in the name of religion.

The truth is warmongers of any religion usually have their own agenda which is conveniently fought under the religious flag.

mischievious · 22-03-2009, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Possibly but how many times has religion been made the scapegoat for bad behaviour when in reality it's been man's greed that instigates wars..indeed those so called crusades that were to reclaim the holy land(which we never owned in the first place) were nothing more than an excuse to exploit the situation to extract anything of value in any way possible including hostage taking for monetary gain...

Maggy what is it with you and Bender? You seem to like each other very much