The existence of God - Page 11

idi banashapan · 22-03-2009, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Elsie

The belief in a deity and its associated religion has lead to more death, misery and suffering than any other virtually anything else on the planet.

for all things said for and against religion, this comment I do think holds a lot of truth.

**Maggy** · 22-03-2009, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Bender

for all things said for and against religion, this comment I do think holds a lot of truth.

Possiblly it maybe but can I point out that history is littered with people of faith who stood up against inhumanity,torture,racism,genocide,war,hatred and there are those who have used their faith to achieve a balancing out against man's cruelty to others to feed,clothe,succour the victims of that cruelty...

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Possiblly it maybe but can I point out that history is littered with people of faith who stood up against inhumanity,torture,racism,genocide,war,hatred and there are those who have used their faith to achieve a balancing out against man's cruelty to others to feed,clothe,succour the victims of that cruelty...

Good point.

You wouldn't see that from a belief in fairies would you

idi banashapan · 22-03-2009, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Possiblly it maybe but can I point out that history is littered with people of faith who stood up against inhumanity,torture,racism,genocide,war,hatred and there are those who have used their faith to achieve a balancing out against man's cruelty to others to feed,clothe,succour the victims of that cruelty...

absolutely, but the commet still holds a lot of truth.

**Hugh** · 22-03-2009, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Well just goes to show what ignorance is then

I take it you agree with my suggestion to Bender?

You show it very well.....

You can take whatever you want, wherever you want, Gary - but you should not presume to know what others agree with.

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 19:17

Read the bible, judge for yourselves, keep an open mind, never be swayed like I once was by other peoples view points.

Make an informed decision for yourself........but only if that is what you wish to do.

Until that day, leave each to their own to get on with believing in God.

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 19:21

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Originally Posted by lucy7

Read the bible, judge for yourselves, keep an open mind, never be swayed like I once was by other peoples view points.

Make an informed decision for yourself........but only if that is what you wish to do.

Until that day, leave each to their own to get on with believing in God.

Not to be rude Lucy, but how would reading a bible help you judge?
The bible and God are both the same thing really. only one is far fetched more than the other to some.

It's like your big sister that likes fairies telling you to read a book about fairies. does she expect you to now become a believer just because you liked the ending?

lucy7 · 22-03-2009, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Elsie

The belief in a deity and its associated religion has lead to more death, misery and suffering than any other virtually anything else on the planet.

A very true statment, as many so called believers in God do in fact go to war against their fellow man, and persecute one another in the name of their own religion, even amongst the Christians.
It happened centuries ago, and does to this very day, the evidence is around for us all to see.

This does in fact go against what the bible preaches.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Not to be rude Lucy, but how would reading a bible help you judge?
The bible and God are both the same thing really. only one is far fetched more than the other to some.

Thats not rude at all Gary.

The bible is Gods word, in written form!
If you believe that of course!!!
It was once far fetched to me, I was bought up by non believers, that is what I was taught by them, there was no God.

Adult hood, and a whats it all about attitude made me ask questions to myself, and I started reading The Bible.
It confused the heck out of me, especialy the old stuff!! Down right scary infact!

Searched deeper, went to the history books, checked stuff out for myself, and my mind started wondering more, did God create or are we from Monkeys!!!!

The evidence in The Bible, and the history books was enough for me, and then of course it does go in to deeper things as well..........so short story is, from one fetched up by atheists, I am one of those through my own investigation, became to believe in creation by a inteligent designer!!!

I love monkeys though!!

**Chris** · 22-03-2009, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Elsie

The belief in a deity and its associated religion has lead to more death, misery and suffering than any other virtually anything else on the planet.

That's very true Elsie, and very sad as well. Mind you, the invention of the motor car and the fact that almost every adult in the western world now owns one causes more death misery and suffering in Western countries than anything else - including war, for the time being at least.

Nevertheless, I trust you would agree that the remedy for this is for people to use their cars responsibly, within the law, as they were intended to be used, rather than to declare cars to be somehow wrong and to be avoided?

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by lucy7

Thats not rude at all Gary.

The bible is Gods word, in written form!
If you believe that of course!!!

No

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It was once far fetched to me, I was bought up by non believers, that is what I was taught by them, there was no God.

I went to Sunday school for a couple of years. so I was the opposite really. my parents never had a view, and still don't I suppose. I made up my own mind from an early age really.

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Searched deeper, went to the history books, checked stuff out for myself, and my mind started wondering more, did God create or are we from Monkeys!!!!

The evidence in The Bible, and the history books was enough for me, and then of course it does go in to deeper things as well..........so short story is, from one fetched up by atheists, I am one of those through my own investigation, became to believe in creation by a inteligent designer!!!

When you say evidence. what was written/told to you in the Bible and books. made you a believer?
I suppose it has to be that for everyone. be they a believer or non believer. apart from the spoken word such as in Sunday school.

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I love monkeys though!!

I love pussy
cats.

TheDaddy · 22-03-2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by lucy7

A very true statment, as many so called believers in God do in fact go to war against their fellow man, and persecute one another in the name of their own religion, even amongst the Christians.
It happened centuries ago, and does to this very day, the evidence is around for us all to see.

How many times have people gone to war over religion? Very rarely, greedy, power hungry rulers have used religion for their own ends to rabble rouse for sure but for things like gold, land and protection of their own interests rather than a belief in God, when you scratch the surface even things like the crusades and the Spanish inquisition prove Elsie's statement to be untrue in the main, that's not to say awful things haven't happened in the name of religion, just to say they aren't at all common as people think.

rogerdraig · 22-03-2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i notice as these god threads progress the words get bigger [and the sentences more complex ]
but the evidence is still not forthcoming

what evidence do you want exactly ?

Gary L · 22-03-2009, 20:56

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

what evidence do you want exactly ?

Is photos or CCTV footage asking for too much?
Or a plain old fashioned miracle.

TheNorm · 22-03-2009, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Elsie

The belief in a deity and its associated religion has lead to more death, misery and suffering than any other virtually anything else on the planet.

I thought malaria was the biggest killer of people (at the moment, anyway). Mind you, there are some pretty nasty nematode worms eager to take the trophy. Aided by malnutrition and hunger, of course.

**Hugh** · 22-03-2009, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Is photos or CCTV footage asking for too much?
Or a plain old fashioned miracle.

Richard is back on the forum........