steve bettley sacked..do we have the right?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

being a party gives them no rights that i am aware of

police have to be impartial being part of any party that believes one group of people is better than another should preclude you from this job

this doesnt mean a police man cant vote for any party they wish but as soon as they become a member then it is and should be as it is

I don't like the BNP one little bit. However i hope that copper sues the police for as much as he can get.

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Originally Posted by martyh

so does that include officers who are a member of the conservatives,labour and libdems if not then it is prejudice

My point as well

[Sir John Luke]

From Hansard

Police: Political Impartiality
Mr. Gordon Prentice: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what recent guidance has been given to chief constables on the use by political parties of photographs of named police officers in election leaflets. [196296]

Mr. McNulty: Regulation 6 of the Police Regulations 2003 as amended by the Police (Amendment) Regulations 2004 states that:

“a member of a police force shall at all times abstain from any activity which is likely to interfere with the impartial discharge of his duties or which is likely to give rise to the impression amongst members of the public that it may so interfere. A member of a police force shall in particular (a) not take any active part in politics”.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

From Hansard

Police: Political Impartiality
Mr. Gordon Prentice: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what recent guidance has been given to chief constables on the use by political parties of photographs of named police officers in election leaflets. [196296]

Mr. McNulty: Regulation 6 of the Police Regulations 2003 as amended by the Police (Amendment) Regulations 2004 states that:

“a member of a police force shall at all times abstain from any activity which is likely to interfere with the impartial discharge of his duties or which is likely to give rise to the impression amongst members of the public that it may so interfere. A member of a police force shall in particular (a) not take any active part in politics”.

So that means they can be sacked for supporting or being a paid up member of ANY political party. There's going to be a lot of sacked coppers then

[Sir John Luke]

Earlier post edited to highlight the salient point.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

being a party gives them no rights that i am aware of

police have to be impartial being part of any party that believes one group of people is better than another should preclude you from this job

this doesnt mean a police man cant vote for any party they wish but as soon as they become a member then it is and should be as it is

So if someone is a Man Utd supporter they should be banned for believing that Man Utd is better than other teams? Should Northerners(just a theoretical example nothing more) be banned because they believe that are better than Southerners?

Then if someone believes that they are there to represent their community as opposed to the community, they should be banned and that applies to a lot(if not the majority) of racial groups.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Sirius

So that means they can be sacked for supporting or being a paid up member of ANY political party. There's going to be a lot of sacked coppers then

It does go beyond politics though. My dad had to declare which companies he was a shareholder of, when he joined. He did sell up one of them but I don't know if it was coincidence or not.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by martyh

so does that include officers who are a member of the conservatives,labour and libdems if not then it is prejudice

they may well be but thier party policy is not discriminatory to any race creed or ability of person

what any person personally believes is non of our business

but when some one takes an oath that say they will act with out fear or favour we have a right to say we don't believe them when they openly belong to a party ( of any type ) that belife system openly says otherwise

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FORM OF DECLARATION

" I . . . . . of . . . . . do solemnly and sincerely
declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the
Queen in the office of constable, with fairness,
integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding
fundamental human rights and according equal respect to
all people; and that I will, to the best of my power,
cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all
offences against people and property; and that while I
continue to hold the said office I will, to the best of my
skill and knowledge, discharge all the duties thereof
faithfully according to law."

Unquote


that is hard to see being held to by people signed up to a party intent on removing even the legal immigrants back to thier original countries forcefully if necessary

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Saturday, 24 May 2008

BNP Manifesto

The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.

Unquote

[Arthurgray50@blu]

My comment on the BNP, has been misread, the BNP is a legal party, and are entitled to there views, like anyone else, but certain employers won't take them on, it cases it cuases problems,

We are in this country allowed ' freedom of speech' but sadly, this no longer applies, due to the fact, that no matter what we say, some people take offence to it, it could be one word or one sentence, to be quite honest, l am getting totally ****** off about it, United Kingdom, ain't UK any more.

[nomadking]

So how many have been sacked because that they don't believe in

I will well and truly serve the Queen

.

So are any other groups on the banned list for similar(but usually worse) reasoning.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So how many have been sacked because that they don't believe in
.

So are any other groups on the banned list for similar(but usually worse) reasoning.

yes police need permision to be members of the masons and other organisations and any party that holds views that impinged on that oath could land them out of a job

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

that is hard to see being held to by people signed up to a party intent on removing even the legal immigrants back to thier original countries forcefully if necessary

Quote

Saturday, 24 May 2008

BNP Manifesto

The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.

Unquote

Where does it says forcefully or indeed otherwise? There are non-white groups that support repatriation.

SNP Manifesto

More Scots in better paid jobs

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Originally Posted by rogermevans

yes police need permision to be members of the masons and other organisations and any party that holds views that impinged on that oath could land them out of a job

How does belonging to the masons impinge on that oath? A much higher proportion of labour voters(never mind muslims) would fall foul of those conditions.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Where does it says forcefully or indeed otherwise? There are non-white groups that support repatriation.

SNP Manifesto


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How does belonging to the masons impinge on that oath? A much higher proportion of labour voters(never mind muslims) would fall foul of those conditions.

they are often allowed in the masons which is why they get permision why they need it is because they could be accused of favouring another mason !

if the BNP dont like this all they need to is win enough seats to govern and then change the law

as to Muslims i would expect any Muslim based party which ascribed itself to strict shira law would also find thier members banned from the police

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

My comment on the BNP, has been misread, the BNP is a legal party, and are entitled to there views, like anyone else, but certain employers won't take them on, it cases it cuases problems,

We are in this country allowed ' freedom of speech' but sadly, this no longer applies, due to the fact, that no matter what we say, some people take offence to it, it could be one word or one sentence, to be quite honest, l am getting totally ****** off about it, United Kingdom, ain't UK any more.

Your right Arthur the UK will not be the "United Kingdom" if ever the BNP got into power.
As regards the policeman who was kicked out I'll just say this, how many would be complaining about political freedom if the situation were reversed and some bearded muslim was kicked out of the Met for belonging to an extreme Islamic group?
I'm sure we would understand why, so whats different with this guy and the BNP? in my book there is no difference neither belongs in a position of trust and authority.

[Russ]

I couldn't resist it. The BNP were in my town recently and they made a short clip of how successful the day was, also how many people took their literature etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg0XwizKRdg

Keep your eye on the girl who takes a leaflet at 1:25, she appears to find it fascinating....

"The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe.The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations."

i would suggest that more and more people are subscribing to these views even if they are scared to admit it

" I . . . . . of . . . . . do solemnly and sincerely
declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the
Queen in the office of constable

i think they need to change the wording of the oath we live in the 21st century now the police serve the public by OUR consent ,they should remember that we can remove that consent if they get too big for their boots