Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
20-03-2009, 19:22
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
Ramrod no offence but i can't help feeling your blowing this way way out of proportion and taking at face value an at best highly dubious source as being true without an agenda something that source has yet to manage.
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20-03-2009, 19:24
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Originally Posted by harmitage
If I thought he was the right man for the job, the religion of any future prime ministerial candidate wouldn't be high up on my list of priorities.
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Um, countries lead by muslims aren't usually known for their tolerant attitudes to democracy, other faiths, free speech.......
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20-03-2009, 19:24
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
He is an MP who is stating that he wants the PM to be muslim! How the hell can you fail to get annoyed about this? I'm an atheist and not even English but I can't understand how you can be so complacent about this....  |
Do you feel that way about Disraeli (who was Jewish), or Michael Howard (who could have been PM), or Tony Blair, who became Catholic? Why would having a Muslim PM be such a bad thing?
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Erm, no......I want him to comment on what someone did say.
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You asked him to comment on a hypothetical statement
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.....and if it wasn't edited? What would you say about it then?
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20-03-2009, 19:28
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke
I do, and will continue to, treat ANYTHING from a BNP source with utter contempt.
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As a knee jerk reaction, I tend to agree with you. That might sometimes not be fair though....
The voting record described on that site seems at odds with what he said on that video...... 
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# Voted strongly for introducing ID cards. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war. votes, speeches
# Voted very strongly for replacing Trident. votes, speeches
# Voted for equal gay rights. votes, speeches
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20-03-2009, 19:29
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
I'm amazed at you lot. OK, the source could be better but if the video is for real then its deeply concerning. Rather than address the possibility that whats in it may be true you are content to simply rubbish its source and leave it at that.
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But it isn't real, and that's the point - you are (imho) conflating a piece of propaganda into something that it isn't.
Here (again) is the actual speech Linkylinklink - he makes a joke about it.
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20-03-2009, 19:30
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Ramrod no offence but i can't help feeling your blowing this way way out of proportion and taking at face value an at best highly dubious source as being true without an agenda something that source has yet to manage.
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Sorry if it seems I'm blowing it out of proportion. I'm just amazed that no on wants to actually comment on what was said in that video (it may be for real), just sweep it under the carpet by rubbishing the source....
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20-03-2009, 19:32
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Um, countries lead by muslims aren't usually known for their tolerant attitudes to democracy, other faiths, free speech.......
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I tend to look at people as individuals... not by their faith, creed, colour or class or choice of avatar etc
If a person who became PM happened to be a muslim, he would have been put their by a process of democracy, the same way that he/she would be removed. We would not suddenly become a satellite muslim state.
God forbid we ever have a RC Prime Minister lest he immediately cedes us with the Vatican. 
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20-03-2009, 19:32
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
But what he said was he would like 20 Muslim MPs (in proportion with the Muslim % of the UK population), and he hoped there would be a Muslim PM in his lifetime - not exactly the "Islamification of the UK", is it?
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20-03-2009, 19:33
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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You would be happy about (and see nothing wrong with) all MPs being muslim and the PM being muslim......in England? |
Indeed and in the rest of the UK too.
He wants the PM to share his faith. So what?
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20-03-2009, 19:33
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Originally Posted by harmitage
I tend to look at people as individuals... not by their faith, creed, colour or class or choice of avatar etc
If a person who became PM happened to be a muslim, he would have been put their by a process of democracy, the same way that he/she would be removed. We would not suddenly become a satellite muslim state.
God forbid we ever have a RC Prime Minister lest he immediately cedes us with the Vatican. |
Or a disabled or gay PM, then he/she would make us all disabled and or gay.... 
Strangely enough, on that note, when Maggy was PM, we didn't all become women. 
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20-03-2009, 19:37
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Here (again) is the actual speech Linkylinklink - he makes a joke about it. |
Hmmm....the sound is out of sync with the video.....could be anyone saying those words. I hope to hell it is simply a stitch up attempt......like you lot are saying.
I posted this thread in the hope someone here could pull a snopes type link out of the net to demonstrate it's falsehood or veracity.
Maby someone will..... 
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Or a disabled or gay PM, then he/she would make us all disabled and or gay.... |
Don't be silly, disabled or gay people don't have several organisations devoted to those aims
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20-03-2009, 19:38
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Sorry if it seems I'm blowing it out of proportion. I'm just amazed that no on wants to actually comment on what was said in that video (it may be for real), just sweep it under the carpet by rubbishing the source....
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Also because, as foreverwar pointed out, he was making a joke. So the source presented it as they wanted people to see it. So the context is not for real so what is the point on commenting on it?
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20-03-2009, 19:38
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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He wants the PM to share his faith. So what?
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....and the rest of the cabinet. Tell me Russ, how many countries run by muslims allow christian churches on their soil?
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20-03-2009, 19:39
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Re: Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain
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Have you read the article?
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I looked at the official conference site for a video of his speech.
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