Lord Ahmed jailed

[bob_a_builder]

We live in a demoracy so let him know what you think ...

HERE

Can't seem to find much evidence of the vast litany of 'community work' to date which he has been 'spared' to continue with

"Lord Ahmed's barrister, Jeremy Baker QC, had argued the jail sentence could "irreparably and permanently" damage Lord Ahmed's ability to carry out community work in the future. "

Sentence suspended

But because of the "exceptional" personal mitigation in his case, Lady Justice Hallett said the court was able to take the step of suspending the sentence for 12 months.

Lord Ahmed's barrister, Jeremy Baker QC, had argued the jail sentence could "irreparably and permanently" damage Lord Ahmed's ability to carry out community work in the future

But from http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...erous_driving/

Mitigating factors
a good driving record;
the absence of previous convictions;
a timely plea of guilty;
genuine shock or remorse - in cases where death results (which may be greater if the victim is either a close relation or a friend);
the offender's age (but only in cases where lack of driving experience has contributed to the commission of the offence), and
the fact that the offender has also been seriously injured as a result of the accident caused by the dangerous driving

But no mention of 'doing lots of community work' ...


Also

"Sentencing Range: Non custodial options may be considered, but usually a custodial penalty is appropriate,"

[Osem]

Well it appears that Lord 'of the finger' Ahmed is a reformed character now and wants to do all that community work his barrister banged on about at the appeal....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/7945711.stm

I wonder how long this new 'calling' will last... (pun intentional)..

[fireman328]

In my service as a senior officer we HAD to have a driver as they had to drive safely to the incident without being concerned with looking at maps and and using the radio, hence a driver at all times.
When we arrived it was the drivers duty to monitor the radio and in the part of London I was stationed ,stop people nicking the kit off the machine !

[tweetypie/8]

Originally Posted by Osem

Actually IIRC the texting occurred some time before the fatal impact and wasn't therefore directly responsible. Hence the shorter sentence.

sorry osem,but the texting shouldnt take place at any time when you are in control of a car,also the sentence should have been in years.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

sorry osem,but the texting shouldnt take place at any time when you are in control of a car,also the sentence should have been in years.

Sorry Tweetypie I'm no fan of Lord Ahmed and nowhere did I did I write or imply that texting behind the wheel is acceptable. I was merely pointing out the facts of the offence and the reason the sentence wasn't far longer than it was i.e. that the offence wasn't directly connected to the fatal accident which occurred some time later.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by tweetypie/8

sorry osem,but the texting shouldnt take place at any time when you are in control of a car,also the sentence should have been in years.

Why??

[sherer]

i think the said in this case that the texting didn't cause the crash as he was doing that several miles before, although surely he would have still been waiting for another reply or something and so more concerned about the phone than the road.

[Flyboy]

Even if he had, the outcome would not have been any different, surely? Just as much as it would not have been any different if he hadn't. The collision was not caused by the lack of concentration, it was caused by the fact there was a stationary vehicle in lanes two and three of the motorway. Martyn Gombar died, because he returned to his crashed car, not because of any deliberate, or unintentional actions by Lord Ahmed.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Even if he had, the outcome would not have been any different, surely? Just as much as it would not have been any different if he hadn't. The collision was not caused by the lack of concentration, it was caused by the fact there was a stationary vehicle in lanes two and three of the motorway. Martyn Gombar died, because he returned to his crashed car, not because of any deliberate, or unintentional actions by Lord Ahmed.

erm, perhaps he should have been looking at the road ahead? The M1, especially around J35/Rotherham, is not reknowned for it's blind bends.

Took my learner driver son round the Leeds ring road last week, and had to point out to him there was a car stationary a couple of hundred yards ahead on the inside lane, so he needed to move to the outside lane; I would have expected a driver of Lord Ahmed's experience to have appropriate situational awareness to me, not my son.

[Flyboy]

Have you not read the report: It was at night, there were no street lights, the car was across two lanes, the lights were off, the car was a dark colour. Add all that to fact, it would be reasonable to assume that Lord Ahmed was not expecting to come across a stationary vehicle, it would have been like hitting an invisible wall. On your ring road, there were sodium street lamps and other vehicles headlamps, together with lighting from possible surrounding buildings, making it far easier to see. With the presumed speed of less than thirty miles per hour and the fact that it was not you that was driving, your sole responsibility would have been to observe the road ahead and expect hazzardous obstructions (it was a ring road after all), makes for a very different set of circumstances.