Can I sell my V+ Box?

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by adam1516

well, I did pay £150.00 when I first signed up. Seems to be a fair amount of confusion regarding this matter.

Committing fraud? Sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Anyway, it would be impossible to prove.

I only ask because I have seen quite a few of these boxes for sale on ebay, and none of the bidders seem overly concerned.

The £150.00 you paid would have been the set up fee and the T&C's would clearly state at this point that the box still belongs to VM.

its if you then wish to keep the box after your subscription is over, you need to pay the further charge of £250.00

I would imagine 99.999% of people buying V+ V boxes or modems have no interest in legal uses anyway

@the op put it in the loft and wait for it to be collected

Originally Posted by adam1516

Committing fraud? Sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Anyway, it would be impossible to prove.

I only ask because I have seen quite a few of these boxes for sale on ebay, and none of the bidders seem overly concerned.

Trust me it's not far-fetched. That's the legal situation. Whether you get caught of course is a different matter.

As for the bidders being unconcerned, well they're most likely either ignorant of the fact it won't work and think they might be getting a bargain, or else they're dodgy geezahs who hope to modify the box so that it will work. But we don't talk about such things on this forum.

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I would imagine 99.999% of people buying V+ V boxes or modems have no interest in legal uses anyway

@the op put it in the loft and wait for it to be collected

Agreed.

However, if the box is still VM's property you will have agreed under your user terms to take the responsibilty to make sure that a collection would be arranged. ie. VM have placed the onus on you to contact them to arrange the collection.

yeah but we all know of or at least I do of collected V boxes miraculously finding there way into living rooms with no subs to pay

If I was going to steal cable which I do not promote or have any intention of doing I would not use VM equipment

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah but we all know of or at least I do of collected V boxes miraculously finding there way into living rooms with no subs to pay

Haha... no you must be mistaken.
People wouldn't be so dishonest!

of course not I personally seen a VM van(with 2 guys of course) doing a repull and installation on a Sunday afternoon installing 2 modified V boxes and charging the guy £300 for the privalidge

do you think they got the boxes off ebay ?

[adam1516]

I've got hours and hours of recordings on the box. Is there anyway I can extract these recordings?

I did try just plugging in the box to the TV, but no luck.

no subs means no use

[broadbandking]

Its amazing how many people sell these boxes on Ebay not knowing Virgin want it back.

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by adam1516

I've got hours and hours of recordings on the box. Is there anyway I can extract these recordings?

I did try just plugging in the box to the TV, but no luck.

Originally Posted by chuzzlemonkey

That's not very helpful.

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's not very helpful.

Sorry thats supposed to be a guy wagging his finger to say no...
wasnt supposed to be what it looks like...

SORRY!!!

Originally Posted by BenMcr

If you don't return the box - Virgin charge you £250 to replace it, and you still can't then legally sell it on (no matter what Jethro says)

Common-sense should tell us that once you paid a replacment fee that the box becomes yours (in any court in the land), so it is legal to sell it on Ebay or anywhere else.

Originally Posted by Chris

Virgin can tell you whatever they want you to parrot down the phone to your ex-subs, but that doesn't make it correct. Under English law if they charge you in lieu of the equipment being returned, they have sold it to you and the equipment becomes yours. You may then do whatever you please with it, including selling it on eBay.

At last - someone else whos got common-sense enough to see the difference between what VM 'say' and what's right (lawful)

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---------- Post added at 17:25 ---------- Previous post was at 17:23 ----------

Originally Posted by Chris

..Virgin has taken a ridiculous heavy-handed approach, trying to put the onus on ex-subs to make sure the equipment is returned, when all they have actually done is legitimise a second-hand trade that previously was in all respects unlawful, because previously there was no way you could claim you owned the box.!

Brilliant! After all i've been saying found someone who agrees

Only just read this far

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[higgsfield]

Originally Posted by adam1516

well, I did pay £150.00 when I first signed up. Seems to be a fair amount of confusion regarding this matter.

The amount you paid was for connection.

You can "own" the box - if VM send you a letter saying you can keep it for a fee (I believe the law regards this transaction as a "sale"). However it is utterly useless. It only works with the VM network and VM won't connect any boxes it doesn't own to their network.

Although the box may have been fully-functional when you last tried it. Any attempt to sell it in such as way as might lead the buyer to believe it would function as a PVR might constitute fraud.

Knowing that it won't function as a PVR (unless VM changes its policy - which is hardly likely), any attempt to sell it would look exactly like an attempt to rip someone off, so what's the point? Any buyer wouldn't be able to use it and would surely pursue for a refund.