teacher shut autistic girl a tiny room - Page 7

piggy · 10-03-2009, 18:45

its not the teachers fault, if she wasnt trained to deal with autistic children then she or the child should be removed from the classroom, and some of the comments in this thread are extremely ott, you would think the child had been murdered!

10-03-2009, 18:59

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Originally Posted by piggy

its not the teachers fault, if she wasnt trained to deal with autistic children then she or the child should be removed from the classroom, and some of the comments in this thread are extremely ott, you would think the child had been murdered!

so you would not mind if a teacher seriously distressed your child then?

nomadking · 10-03-2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so you would not mind if a teacher seriously distressed your child then?

The child was already distressed.

Russ · 10-03-2009, 19:03

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Originally Posted by piggy

its not the teachers fault, if she wasnt trained to deal with autistic children then she or the child should be removed from the classroom,

The child, by law, has to be there. The teaching assistant does not. I think perhaps the wrong one was removed from that class.

10-03-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The child was already distressed.

yeah and what happened made the child worse

nomadking · 10-03-2009, 19:07

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah and what happened made the child worse

But even the experts indicate that there was no way of predicting that.

10-03-2009, 19:10

These teachers and helpers had no training so they had no chance. The schooling system in the country sucks

CHiLL · 10-03-2009, 19:31

I had a friend who I went to school with who had a younger brother who suffered from autism. Their parents sent the older lad to my school, but didn't see the school fit enough for the younger brother to attend. It wasn't equipped to deal with special needs, even though it claimed it was, plus bullying was a huge factor, as it was particularly bad in this school.

regardless of whether that school did or did not have sufficient resources to treat special needs, they should never have resorted to 'shutting them in a tiny room'. The teacher should have been sacked and the school reviewed.

piggy · 10-03-2009, 19:41

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

These teachers and helpers had no training so they had no chance. The schooling system in the country sucks

thats my point!

**Maggy** · 10-03-2009, 20:29

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

These teachers and helpers had no training so they had no chance. The schooling system in the country sucks

It's going to suck even more with teacher training down to 6 months.

10-03-2009, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

It's going to suck even more with teacher training down to 6 months.

yeah I noticed that thread. I can see there being quite a few problems in the future

**Maggy** · 10-03-2009, 21:35

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yeah I noticed that thread. I can see there being quite a few problems in the future

Especially when it comes to inclusion of vulnerable children with learning difficulties...

Osem · 10-03-2009, 21:39

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Originally Posted by nomadking

But even the experts indicate that there was no way of predicting that.

How is it that the staff I've come across over the years have managed to either predict (and hence avoid) or cope with behaviour far more severe than this without resorting to shutting distressed children in rooms on their own?

Dealing with autism certainly isn't a science and but anyone who's working closely with an autistic child for any significant period of time should a) have been given guidance about that child, their needs and their reactions to certain situations and b) gained sufficient first hand knowledge of that child to know what to do in situations like these which are not exactly unknown in schools. The reaction to what should have been a relatively trivial incident was as callous as it was unprofessional.

**Maggy** · 10-03-2009, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Osem

How is it that the staff I've come across over the years have managed to either predict (and hence avoid) or cope with behaviour far more severe than this without resorting to shutting distressed children in rooms on their own?

Dealing with autism certainly isn't a science and but anyone who's working closely with an autistic child for any significant period of time should a) have been given guidance about that child, their needs and their reactions to certain situations and b) gained sufficient first hand knowledge of that child to know what to do in situations like these which are not exactly unknown in schools.

Well I haven't had any such training and neither have most of the average teachers I come into contact with..in fact I've never come across an autistic student in any secondary school.

Osem · 10-03-2009, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well I haven't had any such training and neither have most of the average teachers I come into contact with..in fact I've never come across an autistic student in any secondary school.

In the borough in which I live there are very many autistic children in mainstream schools both at primary and secondary level. Of course the more severely affected children tend to be in special units or special schools but as these continue to close, so it will be the case that more mainstream teachers come into contact with autistic pupils. Given the severe lack of SEN resources I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a school with no autistic pupils didn't have any staff trained to deal with them. Having said that anyone dealing with autistic children in the classroom ought to have received information about that child and have the basic skills sufficient for them to be able to cope with and adapt to their needs.