School gym forced to shut

[papa smurf]

the one thing every one seems to have lost sight of here is the children ,who are losing there gym

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Amazing how this thread has gone from "would you mind starting the gym club an hour later because some parents at this girls-only school would prefer their children not to mix with boys" to "we have no freedom of speech, we are being taken over, our Judeo-Christian beliefs are under terminal threat, etc etc"

Thank you, The Daily Express, your work here is done.........

Next imflammatory story, please........

They don't have to work very hard do they.

Some of the comments I have read about muslims not wanting their kids to mix, how cowardly we are, how we are imposing our religion on britain, how our kids who were born in this country are not really british, just makes me shake my head.

Single sex schools existed in the UK for a long time. There are plenty of non muslim and non asian (the two can be very different - some people still fail to understand that) who prefer to send their kids to single sex schools. Are they just as 'cruel' as muslim parents for 'refusing to let their daughters mix with boys'

This morning I read that one in 5 men in the UK think its ok to slap their female partner (govt figures to be released later today I think). Why did it not suprise me that some of the Islamphobics on this forum would rather pick up on a bit of a non story then this one.

Anyway as papa smurf has pointed out the topic is really about these youngsters who may be losing their after school activity..It might have been nice if the paper had tried a slightly different slant to the story in that they could have appealed for an alternative venue from the community concerned.

In fact does anyone know if there were any alternatives offered elsewhere?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

This morning I read that one in 5 men in the UK think its ok to slap their female partner (govt figures to be released later today I think). Why did it not suprise me that some of the Islamphobics on this forum would rather pick up on a bit of a non story then this one.

I'm not trying to justify anything here, just an observation...

I think this is because to some people, if you're dark skinned then you were not born here. If you're 'Asian-looking' (some people seem to forget that China, Sri Lanka, The Philipines etc are in Asia too...) then you're obviously an asylum seeker, therefore 'a drain on our resources' etc and so because we agreed to take you in, you should not be trying to change 'our rules' etc.

And of course, you're all Muslim. Even the Christian ones. And if you're Muslim then as well as taking our money/jobs/houses/women/footballers then you're clearly capable of flying a plane in to a building.

So in other words, some people live in a tightly-enclosed bubble, only reading what The Sun has to offer.

Originally Posted by Chris

I agree, but I think it's an overstatement to say that anything that is happening in our society at large amounts to 'putting us in the back seat'. Most of what goes on is barely more than allowing them to ride in the car with us. Possibly allowing them to choose the CD once in a while.

I hadn't read this before but that's a terrific analogy..

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

They don't have to work very hard do they.

Some of the comments I have read about muslims not wanting their kids to mix, how cowardly we are, how we are imposing our religion on britain, how our kids who were born in this country are not really british, just makes me shake my head.

I remember a year or so back, Channel 4 (as part of a documentary) did some research and found that a high percentage of our population are not actually English if you use the BNP definition. Most people (be they white, black or brown) have some parts of their ancestry from other country.

Single sex schools existed in the UK for a long time. There are plenty of non muslim and non asian (the two can be very different - some people still fail to understand that) who prefer to send their kids to single sex schools. Are they just as 'cruel' as muslim parents for 'refusing to let their daughters mix with boys'

Single sex schools have existed in the UK as long as schools have. At least several hundred years.

It does seem to be the case that that people assume that everyone who is Asian is a Muslim, and every Muslim is Asian. This is a little like saying that to be Catholic you have to be Italian, or that every Italian is Catholic. Most people would agree that neither is true.

I have a few Muslim friends and I have to admit, I find that Muslims from some countries follow the Koran a little more rigidly than Muslims from others but, again, I have found the same with other religions. Having said that, there are exceptions. I used to have a friend who was white and English but converted and she followed the Koran more rigidly than anyone else I have met.

This morning I read that one in 5 men in the UK think its ok to slap their female partner (govt figures to be released later today I think). Why did it not suprise me that some of the Islamphobics on this forum would rather pick up on a bit of a non story then this one.

Sadly, we do, as a forum, appear to be attracting a more racist membership. While I am happy for people to have their own views (indeed, I encourage it even if I disagree with those views), I am not entirely happy with the amount of bordeline racist threads.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

They don't have to work very hard do they.

Some of the comments I have read about muslims not wanting their kids to mix, how cowardly we are, how we are imposing our religion on britain, how our kids who were born in this country are not really british, just makes me shake my head.

Single sex schools existed in the UK for a long time. There are plenty of non muslim and non asian (the two can be very different - some people still fail to understand that) who prefer to send their kids to single sex schools. Are they just as 'cruel' as muslim parents for 'refusing to let their daughters mix with boys'

This morning I read that one in 5 men in the UK think its ok to slap their female partner (govt figures to be released later today I think). Why did it not suprise me that some of the Islamphobics on this forum would rather pick up on a bit of a non story then this one.

No offense mate but why dont those of you that do not want to be tarred by the brush stand up and be counted? I fully understand the vast majority of muslims do not want any of this they do not want the jihad or problems and are happy in this country.

I would be a lot more comfortable with the whole situation if passive Muslims were to report those that go to the meeting where hatred is preached . I would be a lot more comfortable if passive Muslims would report all members of their society who are active fundalmentalists.I would be alot more comfortable if the heads of your society would stand up and say hang on a minute we are happy here we do not want change like this we are happy and want to be British. The problem I have is we do not see enough of this .

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

No offense mate but why dont those of you that do not want to be tarred by the brush stand up and be counted? I fully understand the vast majority of muslims do not want any of this they do not want the jihad or problems and are happy in this country.

I would be a lot more comfortable with the whole situation if passive Muslims were to report those that go to the meeting where hatred is preached . I would be a lot more comfortable if passive Muslims would report all members of their society who are active fundalmentalists.I would be alot more comfortable if the heads of your society would stand up and say hang on a minute we are happy here we do not want change like this we are happy and want to be British. The problem I have is we do not see this.

It does happen..but certain newspapers with an agenda simply don't publicise it or those with moderate voices because it's not what sells a newspaper.Only conflict gets people buying papers these days it seems.

I do not see enough of it anywhere Maggy. Muslim leaders could easily raise this profile if they wanted to. Look at when the police were looking for them bombers years ago. They were on the run for ages. There is no way no one knew where they were in the community but they were not grassed up

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It does happen..but certain newspapers with an agenda simply don't publicise it or those with moderate voices because it's not what sells a newspaper.Only conflict gets people buying papers these days it seems.

Quite. I have seen multiple Muslims speak out on places like Sky News, the BBC and others. As well as columnists in some of the more serious newspapers. It never seems to make it to the rags though, even in the above examples they tend not to give them prominence. Especially if they can find some hatred filled preacher..

They could go on a we are happy and content march. It would be easy as I say to raise this profile if they wanted to

The hatred filled preacher should be removed from office by heads of the community. They should not be allowed anywhere near the mosques. If Muslim leaders did this then I would have a hell of a lot more trust in them

[punky]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Single sex schools existed in the UK for a long time. There are plenty of non muslim and non asian (the two can be very different - some people still fail to understand that) who prefer to send their kids to single sex schools. Are they just as 'cruel' as muslim parents for 'refusing to let their daughters mix with boys'

You're twisting my point and you know it. I specifically tried to head you off on this already:

Originally Posted by punky

I went to all-boys prep school (which has now gone co-ed) and then a mixed secondary school where classes were segregated. I know the value of it. However my parents encouraged me to interact with all other children outside of school. If these parents object to girls being in the proximity of boys then what kind of social life outside of school will these girls lead? The fact is that these 'parents' want to warp the social interaction into this hideously inbred way.

My parents encouraged me to mix with both sexes of children (and adults) as not only is it completely normal in the western world for male and females to associate freely, its a necessity to help form healthy relationships. You know damn well in the Muslim or Arab world, that's not the case. In many Muslims countries, women aren't allowed in public alone or aren't allowed in the company of an unknown man alone. Some women that are, aren't allowed to even shake hands with men. In a lot of these cases their spouse is chosen for them. You may not like it, but you can't argue it isn't true.

This gym does not affect classes at all. They are still single sex. What the Muslim parents don't like is having boys in and around the school whilst their uncovered girls are walking about in between. If these parents take that Saudi-Arabian attitude then how are the girls going to be free to go out after school and mix freely with both sexes? They aren't.

Before you go on about me being anti-Muslim or racist or whatever, i'm not. I'm not saying all Muslims are like this, but like it or not, some do believe in the hard-line Saudi-Arabian line for their families.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I do not see enough of it anywhere Maggy. Muslim leaders could easily raise this profile if they wanted to. Look at when the police were looking for them bombers years ago. They were on the run for ages. There is no way no one knew where they were in the community but they were not grassed up

Terrorism Experts do state that Terrorist Cells operate in a very isolated way. Preventing others, even close family members, from knowing what they are up too. For obvious reason.

yeah right so when there are photofit images of suspects no one ever sees them yeah yeah

Originally Posted by punky

This gym does not affect classes at all. They are still single sex. What the Muslim parents don't like is having boys in and around the school whilst their uncovered girls are walking about in between. If these parents take that Saudi-Arabian attitude then how are the girls going to be free to go out after school and mix freely with both sexes? They aren't.

And who are you to dictate how they bring their kids up? You don't like it, fine, you're entitled to your opinion. As a matter of fact I'm a bit ambivalent about it myself. But I absolutely defend their right to make their own parenting choices, and I applaud their willingness to back up their convictions with actions and hard cash, paying for their daughters to get the educational environment they want for them.