Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009) - Page 23

Andrewcrawford23 · 22-02-2009, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

We always have this problem with new channels coming, All Sky viewers have this luck, that when a new channel comes out, it goes onto Sky.

This is why VM are so far behind in the media business, each time l switch on Sky, there is a new channel, but with VM you have to wait months or even a few years, all this talk of new channels coming on, so where are they.

I was told by an engineer, that we have the tech' to get as many channels as possible.

the engineer lioed to you what a surpise both virign and sky engineer lie to there customers

cablestrider · 23-02-2009, 06:48

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Originally Posted by demented

That's all very well, however there's a long history of stuff not coming. Sci-fi and History channel wait was years on Telewest. As was the extra movie channels. Still waiting for TCM2 here, it's nearly 3 years! A couple of months is understandable, things measured in years is not, that's why people are so cheesed off on the HD issue too.

Have to agree 100% !
Eventually, i suppose it'll all fall back on their shoulders when more and more ppl leave to sign up to FreeSat or even Freeview with future HD? Like you say, a few months at most, but years... wow so bad :-(

Media Boy UK · 23-02-2009, 09:40

The Box is available to L package customers on Virgin channel 335 until 10th March.

Felim_Doyle · 23-02-2009, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

We always have this problem with new channels coming, All Sky viewers have this luck, that when a new channel comes out, it goes onto Sky.

This is why VM are so far behind in the media business, each time l switch on Sky, there is a new channel, but with VM you have to wait months or even a few years, all this talk of new channels coming on, so where are they.

I was told by an engineer, that we have the tech' to get as many channels as possible.

If, for example, a channel is free-to-air or even free-to-view, does that speed up the process of getting it on VM, bandwidth permitting, or does as much paper have to be signed and money change hands?

Would, for example, Channel 4 +1 have been in that category?

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

the engineer lioed to you what a surpise both virign and sky engineer lie to there customers

I doubt that engineers, Sky or VM, intentionally lie to customers. They are usually just overzealous, ill-informed or misinformed guys and gals wishing to impress.

demented · 23-02-2009, 11:30

It is true there is the technology to get a lot more channels. It is something people spend a fair bit of time on here speculating about. It's just VM are extremely poor at doing this with respect to tv.

On the subject of which, there's no sign of ITV on demand on my v+.

Media Boy UK · 23-02-2009, 11:32

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Originally Posted by demented

It is true there is a the technology to get a lot more channels. It is something people spend a fair bit of time on here speculating about. It's just VM are extremely poor at doing this with respect to tv.

On the subject of which, there's no sign of ITV on demand on my v+.

The rumoured date is the 24th so Tomorrow ITV Player may appear on Virgin TV.

demented · 23-02-2009, 11:38

Yes I thought someone else had said 24th but quite a few people were saying Monday too.

sherer · 23-02-2009, 12:45

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Originally Posted by demented

It is true there is the technology to get a lot more channels. It is something people spend a fair bit of time on here speculating about. It's just VM are extremely poor at doing this with respect to tv.

On the subject of which, there's no sign of ITV on demand on my v+.

as others have said it isn't to do with the technology but carriage deals. Due to the the way VM work they have to pay the broadcaster to appear on VM.

I don't know why VM don't just control the network like they do now but make the broadcasters pay for an EPG slot like they do on Sky and then carry the channel that way. It would surely make things more simple and also generate more money but then again I don't work for VM and i'm sure there is a business reason for this.

I was thinking of creating a HD thread on here to move some of the discussion about viewing numbers and differences with Sky into a proper thread does anyone think that would be a good idea ?

demented · 23-02-2009, 12:49

It is actually to do with the technology too. There really isn't the bandwidth until analogue is switched off. Once it is there are all kinds of technologies that could be deployed to get upto perhaps 100 HD channels one day.

I think another thread is a good idea.

Felim_Doyle · 23-02-2009, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Media Boy

The rumoured date is the 24th so Tomorrow ITV Player may appear on Virgin TV.

Now all we need is Demand Five to complete the set.

demented · 23-02-2009, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle

Now all we need is Demand Five to complete the set.

Indeed. Already signed a contract with BT Vision (I don't have it so have no idea whether it's already on there or not) so I'm hopeful of that one in 2009. Just hope it isn't like with ITV where contractual negociations supposedly took an entire year.

Andrewcrawford23 · 23-02-2009, 13:02

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Originally Posted by sherer

as others have said it isn't to do with the technology but carriage deals. Due to the the way VM work they have to pay the broadcaster to appear on VM.

I don't know why VM don't just control the network like they do now but make the broadcasters pay for an EPG slot like they do on Sky and then carry the channel that way. It would surely make things more simple and also generate more money but then again I don't work for VM and i'm sure there is a business reason for this.

I was thinking of creating a HD thread on here to move some of the discussion about viewing numbers and differences with Sky into a proper thread does anyone think that would be a good idea ?

If virign made there system completely open like sky then woukld have to pay for the bandwidth to caRRY The channels but sky doesnt the broadcast rents teh space on a satillette.

but i am not sur ewhy virign does not charge for epg slot and capicty slot

sherer · 23-02-2009, 13:09

i've setup a new thread for talking about HD

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post34738857

Of course we still have this thread for talking about when new channels \ services are coming to HD.

**Chris** · 23-02-2009, 13:24

Sky's system is not completely open. Sky's system more or less consists of an EPG and an optional encryption deal.

Broadcasters deal with Astra or whoever else is available to get their channel on air, then they pay Sky to include the channel in the Sky EPG. If the broadcaster wants to make money from subscriptions, then it also signs up to Sky's encryption service and gets a place within one of the entertainment packs. But encryption is not necessary; the only thing that's required in order to get a decent level of penetration in the UK is the EPG slot. Broadcasters are happy with this because their satellite broadcast is available to every home.

Virgin's network is not analagous to a satellite broadcast. It is available only to cabled homes. This alters the balance of power - Virgin is more like a magazine editor, paying freelancers for the copy he needs to fill his pages.

Media Boy UK · 23-02-2009, 13:44

This weeks list now online - see post one.

Look out for the relaunch of my list - coming next Monday - 2nd of March.